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Do it like a statue, where its worth more for the roon if its away from all the walls. I'd love a place to display all the totems made from goblins and such forth who were beaten back from my fortress.

Me too.

You can still perform the mission, you know - clearing out the mines sounds like lots of fun.

First one makes sense. Sure, it'd be a lot of spam when the whole siege walks into your ambush/traps corridor, but that doesn't happen so darn often.

Naming of creatures already appear, don't they? i.e. "The dwarves have named named a gremlin Burghular Murthalum" or something along those lines. Probably not for regular fortress mode dwarves though.. do they even get proper titles, i.e. in the Legends and stuff? I never really noticed.

And, anyway, the stats stuff for humans should also make sense (women should have better social stats, if those get put in). As should gender roles. I shouldn't see too many female human caravan guards, for example.

Since it's pretty much impossible to even approach the issues of sex and gender without it being horribly political and up for heated debate, I honestly think it'd be sensible to just leave even the human sexes physically identical. That was you at least have deniability (in the form of "eh, not a priority right now" if nothing else :p). Although it could of course be added to the raws for anyone wanting to mess with it, I suppose.

I'm wondering if we don't need to improve the granularity of what we are asking for.  What, exactly, does "improved hauling" entail.

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So...I thought I'd just throw those out there as examples.  They're very specific things which can be tested for and checked off a list.  But the really good thing about them being separate items is we can decide each one's individual importance because, quite honestly - I having a wheelbarrow ain't gonna do us a darn bit of good when we have 4 dwarves with wheelbarrows run into the room to move 4 seeds, rather than 4 dwarves without wheelbarrows.  Therefore I wouldn't vote for wheelbarrows themselves until "Single Dwarf Job Queueing" was in place.

Thoughts?

I totally agree with the specifics of your hauling suggestion (you really should make a separate thread for brainstorming about hauling, btw), but I wonder if the point of this suggestion voting thingy shouldn't more be to give Toady an overall idea of what most people perceive to be the larger problem areas, and then let him figure out how he wants to improve it. Not least of all because noone else really knows how much of the game works, and any very detailed suggestion is likely to be unworkable on some point or another.

I agree that more details about the perceived problems and proposed ideas would be nice, but I think we should take care to remember the subtle difference between saying "this is what I think you should implement, in this way" and "this is what we think you should improve, and here are some ideas about solutions that might work". If nothing else, it's more fun reading the latter kind of suggestions.

I guess my main point (hidden as it is under much rambling) is that sometimes it's easier from a design perspective to have clearly defined problems; once you understand what the problem is, suggestions get a proper context and you can weigh them against other possible solutions that come to mind.

Also, note that this isn't aimed at your suggestion in particular - it sounds very sensible - but just a thought I've had about the nature of useful suggestions in general.

LOL at that screenshot.

Honestly I think the yellow cursor works great for the vast majority of current cases (I doubt most people will every encounter a situation as the one above), so I think the color/behavior of the marker should only be changed it it would only kick in when needed. Perhaps a toggle in the options menu to switch color between yellow, magenta and cyan would be a sufficient, simple solution?

The only idea I really like is maybe more gendered names, so that if someone WANTS gender roles, it's easier to implement them.

Yeah, this seems to be the one point pretty much everyone agrees on.