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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 3 brings new hope
« on: August 02, 2009, 06:55:03 am »
OK. I think I should just stay away from this subsection once this game is over. I'm just not talkative enough. I don't have anything to say so I don't post, which tends to mean that I don't have anything to say.
Nah, you just need practice. Don't leave because of one experience.

i would comment on how unhelpful you're being, but that wouldnt be helpful.
That was a really unhelpful thing to say.
Also, Can you post your suspicions so far.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 3 brings new hope
« on: July 31, 2009, 10:05:55 pm »
Okay, last night I investigaeted EchoP and found him Human. So we have another person on our confirmed towny list.

So EchoP I'd like you to roleclaim, but you don't have to. It is entirely down to you and wether you feel your role (if you have one) is worth speaking up.
:)
Vanilla Townie btw. I honestly do not have a special role.

So... why'd you choose EchoP?
Not only did I ask to be investigated, but after pushing so hard for that SniHjen lynch I was probably the most suspicious as well. I think it was a justified investigation.

EchoP, I apologize for calling you a Doppelganger. Sorry.
I brought it entirely upon myself to be fair. I was convinced that Sni was a dopp/cult and when he flipped it was understandable for such accusations. Sorry for playing so poorly.

On the upside, the accusations allowed me to be seered, which allows us to form a human base.

Keep in mind that while I consider EchoP to be a Townie and a person I trust, I do not trust Kashyyk yet. I believe him to be the FBI Agent, but am not sure if he is Cultist or Human. I do know though that there is only one Cultist and no other scum, meaning that if Kashyyk is the Cultist, he has no incentive to lie about EchoP' status. He could pretend to investigate everyone else and call them Human, but it just means that the people he call Human are in fact Human.

So, tldr version. EchoP is cleared, the town base is begining to form.
Yes, Kashyyk can still be scum, but to try and lynch him now would be a bad idea. I say we go through, Kashyyk can seer, and tell us if he finds anyone, but more importantly we can start lynching the more suspicious people. If we start getting down to below 10 people, then maybe it is time to lynch him just in case.

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VOTE TO BAN CONDITIONED VOTING FOREVER... this is stupid...

Toonyman must die (no wifom can save him if he is a dopp).  Duke must die.  Lets stop screwing around with the conditioned votes and just tie them.  If someone comes and unties we lynch him.  The end.
I support this statement. Conditional votes are for elves.

My goal is to make sure a double lynch occurs. I would like it to be EchoP/ToonyMan (so that we can roleflip EchoP to determine if my suspicion is correct, and then verify if ToonyMan is telling the truth), but if it turns out to be ToonyMan/Duke2.0...I don't want to stand in the way of that. Hence my conditional vote.
On this note, I would request to be seered tonight.

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If quotes from PMs are not enough I don't know what is.
Dude... You can fake PMs?

And?  I caught a cultist!   ;D
>:(
You are missing the whole point of this game by a mile. You doing this ruins the point of the game for everyone else. Please do not think that you have done a good thing here.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 06:59:56 pm »
An extension would be nice.

Well, that took an ugly turn.

Sadly, I'm going to have to mod-kill SniHjen for posting his role PM. He was in fact a normal human townsperson. Although I do hope that he reconsiders his statement of never playing Mafia games again.
:o
:-[
Why did you refuse to answer my questions then?

If you were a townie (which I highly doubt at this point), you were guilty of Townie Vision. You were focused solely on one guy, seeing him as total scum, and focusing all your intetion on him to the exclusion of all possiblities. To be fair, we're all guilty of that in some point.
True. My bad entirely.


See, Meph, there is a difference between promising to work together inside of a game, and promising to work together outside of a game. That is what ToonyMan did. ToonyMan made an OOC agreement with Nuke, because Nuke and ToonyMan trusted each other to tell the truth...to each other. Now, in Mafiascum, using "meta" is fine, and I'm not discouraging "meta" at all (like "Lynch All Liars", "Lynch All Lurkers", "Look At Everyone's Posting Habits In Previous Games To Determine How They Act If They Were Town/Scum"). I do however object to OOC Agreements like what just happened.
I think you mean Duke here, not Nuke.

Also, as much as I would like not to be lynched, Toony could be lying about Duke being his ally. Duke has not confirmed or deny this, so let's remember that before we lynch him.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 05:01:57 pm »
Could all the people voting for me please voice their reasons. Mainly Fey_dwarf, archangel and R1ck.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:52:17 pm »
Well, that took an ugly turn.

Sadly, I'm going to have to mod-kill SniHjen for posting his role PM. He was in fact a normal human townsperson. Although I do hope that he reconsiders his statement of never playing Mafia games again.
:o
:-[
Why did you refuse to answer my questions then?

Ok then.  I can't argue with that.  I'm all out of steam. AKA BS Machine
Toonyman, if you are town, you make no sense at all. At all.

Unvote: SniHjen
Vote: Toonyman

I can understand if you guys want to lynch me now.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:22:12 pm »
Anyway, this was a really fun mafia for me.  I think I did some real great sleuthing.
Sigh. At least try and defend yourself.

Also:
Anyway, where in the rules does it say I can't ask scum for there roles?
Just because you're not breaking the letter of the law doesn't mean you're not breaking the spirit of the law.
This. Teaming up with some one from outside the game breaks the game, as shown here.

So you want me to tell you who my partner was and get him instant lynched?

Sounds fun.
That would be nice. Or at least who the other scum are.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:08:59 pm »
We need another vote on ToonyMan or EchoP alone will get lynched.

ToonyMan, you don't withhold info form the town. Period. Fess up EVERYTHING or we lynch you. Period.
Toonyman, this is true.

*shakes head Edgeworth style

Beacon, we decided from the beginning of this mafia game to work together.  We had the unlucky chance of one of us being town and another cult (which is scum).  We still decided to work together, I help him, he helps me.  So far, it's been working god.

You are not scum Beacon, I know this.

Anyway, if you lynch me and EchoP that would be the gravest mistake of all.
While I still believe you town, and lynching us would be a grave mistake, you need more reasons than this. Working together in a mafia game is bad form for both of you, and kinda ruins the point of it. Please post the PMs or it will end badly for you (and probably me).

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 04:05:30 pm »
wait wat?

Kashyyk, SniHjen, and Duke are all cult.
Sorry, not buying it.  You expect me to believe the cultists were foolish enough to reveal all 3 of themselves to a townie?
I'd spare the one I made a deal with, we were suppose to be partners, but he was cult.  So second best thing.

We havn't talked about anything.
Kashyyk is the agent.
that leaves duke?

Even if he was scum, he would only make such a deal if he gain from it. (thats what this game is about amirite?)
The only possible explanation I can cook up is: you are the alien scientist.

thats ofcause assuming that you are telling the truth about the "I talked to the cult" rambling of yours.

false edit: oh wow Mr. Person, reached the same conclusion?
Please answer the questions.

Ok, situation as I see it:
1. Kashyyk is telling the truth, and SniHjen is human.  :-\ I just don't see it. SniHjen has been amazingly dodgy and even now refuses to post, so I would be amazed if he turned up human. That being said, my view of the situation is likely biased by my position (been pushing for his lynch the whole game).
2. Kashyyk is lying, and SniHjen is scum. Also, Kashyyk, why did you investigate SniHjen last night? Surely there were better targets that you could focus on. At that stage Sni was still a relatively unaccused person, it does not make huge amounts of sense going for him.

Fake Edit: SniHjen has written while I am doing this, so here is an analysis of the post:
Alien scientist makes no sense. Why is Servant Corps still alive?

Hmmm... you're right.

damn, I'm out of ideas.
Not helpful in the slightest.
@Everybody: Make sure we lynch Toonyman TODAY.  He is refusing to post his "proof" pm's... 
hmmm.

You have seemed to be town until now, I suspect that you may be town.
This is just blatantly associating himself with another player, who I am going to presume is human, so he can refer back to it later. That post does not anywhere near prove that he is human? A scum would be just as likely to vote to lynch Toonyman.  ???
I'm not posting the PM.  I have told enough.  I said I would spare him.  They'll be the last scum left if it so helps me.

then you are helping scum?
Fair enough on the Toonyman part, but elaboration would be nice.
B) You've already told us 3 cultists, so how have you "spared" him?
C) Your a townie.  Our ultimate goal is the death of all cultists and dopps.  We don't have the option of sparing one.
I can't break a man's trust.
This is mafia...
Sigh. Do you have any other reasons for doubting Toonyman, and if you do, please post them.
B) Due time.
C) Yes I am a townie, but I can't break a man's promise.  That is more sinful then good.
Fine, I give up, I'll change my damned vote.
Fair enough.

You are NOT getting away EchoP.
Right back atcha.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 03:08:44 am »
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He most certainly did not. All he does here is ask me who I find suspisious. How is that post justifying his actions in anyway?
He argued that there are tons of suspicious people, and that it is strange to focus on him. You argue in response that you did not read the thread, so you only chosen one person that you felt to be suspicious. That's why he alleged that you voted for him because you did not the thread, because you didn't, and you only chosen him because you felt him to be 'suspicious'.
Missed this on my last post. Does the fact that there are lots of suspicious people make any difference whatsoever? One scum is as good as the next, are they not? There are (read: were) 6 scum in the game at the time, so there is bound to be plenty of suspicious behavior, and it should all get investigated.

Also, couple of other things I missed:
If I have missed anyone's questions, can they please point it out to me so that I can answer it.

Don't forget that Servant Corps' roleclaim is not verified.

Re-reading the last post, it makes it sound like I am trying to backpedal. As much as I would rather live, I am still willing to go through with this, these posts are here to ask some questions that have gone unanswered, that will hopefully be helpful for scum hunting after I die.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 28, 2009, 02:56:03 am »
A few questions:
When is the deadline? Does it exist, or can we just call the day to an end?
I am curious as to why people think I am the dopp, as no one apart from Corps has really voiced any opinion on the matter. Could other people put forth their opinions on this matter. Also, I would like a reply from Webadict about his suspicious post (The one where he states that he knows that I am cult).

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Also, maybe a townie would claim townie? Scum like to avoid role claiming as it is something that they are easily caught out on.

True. But Townie is the easiest to not be caught out on.
Do you realize that no matter what I answered, you would still be as convinced as before. I tell the truth, go townie, you reply with this. I claim special and you say that all scum do that.

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You asked me to role claim, and I did. What were you expecting from the question if not an answer?

I did it in order to pressure you into confessing your status and plea to the town.
What does that even mean? I did confess my status and plea to the town, but I see that has had no effect on you.

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I am willing to be lynched, as long as SniHjen is too.

We're aiming for that.
I still really don't know why though? That being said, I am still up for the double lynch.


tl;dr:
I am not entirely convinced on your motives for lynching me, but I am still up for it.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 27, 2009, 03:26:03 am »
Dear the person above me,
Are you saying you love the lurkers? Because I secretly hate lurkers. If I could eradicate all of a certain people from this game, it would be lurkers. Do you know why? Because they're not helping. They sit there and watch. Sometimes, they don't even watch. Sometimes, they see, "Paranormal Mafia" and they think, 'What was that again?' and move along. If I had a banhammer, I would use it on everyone that stopped paying attention. I would crush their skulls. They would die, and never be allowed to return to this plane again. If you think that's wrong, you obviously like lurkers. They lurk and help you out, don't they? You love them lurkers who lurk, right? They attract you? You know what.

Take a pistol and shoot yourself in a vital area.

Try thinking. Do you use logic in every day life? Let's start using Mafia logic, why don't we?

In this game, you are GUILTY until proven INNOCENT. No exceptions. That's how the game works. Don't assume otherwise.
In this game, you have to participate, or you're not town. That's like not voting in an election.
In this game, you can think you're right and be horribly wrong. Always question yourself until you've found the most logical path.
In this game, we can read back and look at what you did.
In this game, I get angry at people who don't post. I get very angry. No one does anything. I think that if someone doesn't participate, they should be kicked.

Try thinking about what you say? Who's the enemy in this game?
I would like to point out that this is a mistake on my part. :-\ I was talking about this post:
You know what Servant Corps: I think you're right. If you include the pms that Alexhans has, you'll notice that we brought this up earlier. However, EchoP is in fact a Cultist.

However, SniHjen is likely ALSO a Cultist, if he is indeed scum. If you're looking for Dopps, I'd check Cheeetar's place.

Alexhans can probably explain better than I could why EchoP is a Cultist, if he cares to. The question is, do we lynch EchoP or do we try to lynch a Dopp?
Not actually the one above me. My bad. I mostly agree with you views on lurkers, ironically.

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 27, 2009, 01:41:34 am »
EchoP: SniHjen did respond to your allegations. On Day 1.

Quote from: SniHjen
On a more serious note:

Am I seriously the only one you find suspicious?

What is your opinion on:

Webadicts logic?

Toonymans behaviour.

Servant corps-es survior claim?

chaoticjoshs claim that he would rather take the change of a lynching, than reveal his role?
He most certainly did not. All he does here is ask me who I find suspisious. How is that post justifying his actions in anyway?

Quote from: EchoP
Honestly, you are the only one who I have found suspicious because I haven't read the rest of the thread. But people were complaining about lurking, so I figured I might as well get a vote out on the table.

I will get back to your points when I can.

And in Day 2...
Quote from: EchoP
This is a weak argument and you know it. I did not say that I voted for you because I had not read the thread. What I saw was a suspicious post by you, and threw my vote at it. You were, and still are the most suspicious person to me. The fact that I had not been following the thread is irrelevant, as a scum tell is always a scum tell.
In both of my quoted posts, you have bolded the wrong part.
Quote from: EchoP
Honestly, you are the only one who I have found suspicious because I haven't read the rest of the thread. But people were complaining about lurking, so I figured I might as well get a vote out on the table.

I will get back to your points when I can.
The important fact here is that I found it a suspicious post. It was not because I had not read the rest of the thread, it was the only suspicious post I had found, but it was still suspicious. Please read it closer.

You voted primarly so that people would not call you out on lurking, and you choosen SniHjen because you did not read the rest of the thread. One day, you were voting people because you did not read the thread, the next day, you were voting because you saw a suspicious post, and that was the only suspicious post you found?
Again, read closer. I did not vote because I had read the thread, I only found one suspicious post because I had not read the thread. Also, the primary reason for my votes is that I consider SniHjen scum, not to alleviete lurker status, although that prompted me to go scum hunting in the first place.

You certainly have known about my survivor alien claim, and the chaoticjosh schuffle was only three posts above your original post. You didn't even bother to answer SniHjen's question...and you call SniHjen out because he refuses to answer your question (even though he did)?
Well he didn't, and I will answer those now. The reason that I have not before is that I found a much more likely target.

Am I seriously the only one you find suspicious?
At the time, yes.

Webadicts logic?
Well, the post above me is extremely wierd, but I presume he can justify it. Has been aggressive, but I think he is more likely a human special than scum. Has at least been scum hunting.

Toonymans behaviour?
Standard Toonyman. Has been active lurking, in that has been posting alot with not much content, and has made some contradictory statements, but nothing that cannot be explained. Seems much more like town having a bad day then scum. I would predict a special human role for him.

Servant corps-es survior claim?
Weird. Did not really come out of anywhere, as there was not an imminent lynch on him. That being said, I see no reason for anyone to claim that and be lying. The town will (presumably) kill him if he is left at the end game, so it makes no sense from a scum perspective. From a town perspective, why lie? So all in all, probably the survivor.

chaoticjoshs claim that he would rather take the change of a lynching, than reveal his role?
Not true. He claimed that if he was the survivor he would have done that. Presumably as the town is going to lynch the survivor sooner or later.

Further, you did post earlier in the thread:

Quote from: EchoP
Quote from: Rysith
I echo the comments that there are many, many players. Especially when they can generate four pages of posts before I notice that it's started. I'll random vote for EchoP, though. He hasn't posted yet, and getting everyone to speak up a bit is good, especially the new players.

Hey. I have no suspicions as of yet, but I will look into it.

Rysith replied you, saying:

Quote from: Rysith
Fake edit: unvote, since EchoP posted. Echo, any comments on the game thus far, even if you have no suspicions?

You did not reply to Rysith on this issue. Instead, you replied:

Quote from: EchoP
Don't worry guys, I'm back!  :)

I have been playing another rather intense mafia game on another board, so have not had much time for this game. Add to that 50 new posts every time I come and check the thread and we have a ready made lurker. But, the other game is over now, so I should be able to catch up.

Again, I have only been reading sporadically, and so I only have one suspicion.

And that suspicion was SniHjen.
I believe that this is a reply on the issue. I had no suspicions at the time. I came back, and answered Rysith's question by telling him who I suspected.

Keep in mind, your original allegation was good. You pointed out that SniHjen wants to cover his move, and you predicted that he would create a list. But are you town? You refused to answer SniHjen's question and Rysith's question, because you sought to create a dogpile on SniHjen, and only SniHjen. You did not want to be pinned down on any issue, you are willing to go with the flow of the town. You even admitted you don't want to be considered a "lurker".
I did answer Rysith's question, and have been damn busy lately. In terms of SniHjen, not only have I not had time to get back to his questions, but his behavior itself has become the focus of my posts when I have had time. In terms of dogpiling on SniHjen, I still want to. I honestly believe that he is cult. I don't get the next sentence? What issues do I not want to be pinned on, how is going with the town bad, and how am I doing that. In terms of lurking, of course I did not want to be considered a lurker, because it would be taken as a scum tell.


No.
I don't get what this is here for.

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I am a vanilla townie looking for a SniHjen lynch, because he is cult.

A Townie role does nothing. It's a role that is easy to fake. That being said, a scum would rather claim some other power role, like say, the Doctor. People are going to hestiate if someone claims Doctor.
Also, maybe a townie would claim townie? Scum like to avoid role claiming as it is something that they are easily caught out on.

I'm not going to be WIFOMed though. Your previous statements, contradictions, and evasions suggest that you are in fact scum. Both EchoP and SniHjen needs to be lynched. The only question is, in what order?
You asked me to role claim, and I did. What were you expecting from the question if not an answer?

Also:
I am willing to be lynched, as long as SniHjen is too. I am willing to put my life on that chance now, because with only 4 scum left, we can put this in the bag if we keep up the hunt.

You know what Servant Corps: I think you're right. If you include the pms that Alexhans has, you'll notice that we brought this up earlier. However, EchoP is in fact a Cultist.

However, SniHjen is likely ALSO a Cultist, if he is indeed scum. If you're looking for Dopps, I'd check Cheeetar's place.

Alexhans can probably explain better than I could why EchoP is a Cultist, if he cares to. The question is, do we lynch EchoP or do we try to lynch a Dopp?
Please do explain yourself? Why are you certain that I am a cultist?

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Mafia / Re: Paranormal Mafia - Round 7 - Day 2
« on: July 26, 2009, 04:52:28 pm »
I realize that putting more pressure on the Doppelganger might get him to see the error of his ways. Fine, Unvote.

EchoP, you are the lone Doppelganger. Just roleclaim and explain why the Town should spare you.
Hi. I am totally not. :) I am a vanilla townie looking for a SniHjen lynch, because he is cult. Can people please go back and reread the thread, and notice that he has not answered one of the accusations levellled at him, by me or others. He started a bandwagon on myself without any reasons at all, and has not justified it since.

To preempt some questions:
-I roleclaimed at this stage because a bandwagon appears to be forming. We need to be voting for SniHjen.
-My anger in the last few posts has been a combination of tiredness and the fact that SniHjen is obviously scum.

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