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You have to admit this would make a lot of sense as a mafia role, given web's own role, though.

Cue sarcasm, though Toony is screaming about this too.

Lookie web-flip, one and all.

When you perform an action on a player (including "Give Item"), if that player has chaos emeralds at the end of the night, you will take a random emerald they own.

Web had no need for a chaos-gem finder.  It could speed stuff up, that's all.  He's extremely able through talking and direct anything, to go get these 'worthless' items.  Most of us won't even see a reason to not say if we have them, or to openly show and trade them.  And he just says it's a price, he has to take it if he comes and does whatever to us, 'can't be helped'.  But if we don't even have one, if he targets us, he can't take anything; but he's looking for his remaining gems so he can't target us again unless we trade for it so we have it, or help him find it.

Last thing web 'needed' was someone else with a find-gems power.

We needed that.  To have a chance to realize what the bleep was going on.

Also, maybe the artefacts I make are also chaos gems, I don't know, I haven't made any yet.  Giving that one power a way to help town and scum, and help lead town and scum into conflict, if we didn't realize we were fighting over chaos gems (maybe we aren't.  I'm not totally sure there's no possible town use for that power though).

Yeah.  How's Fal's scum night game?  I mean, if Fal's scum, can I kinda relax, or is this a clueless-looking player that will absolutely gut me, break my kneecaps, and cut my throat simultaneously as scum with their night game while I was looking in three corners they bumble-convinced me the scum were hiding in?
Fallacy, what have you even been doing this whole game? I'd vote you if I didn't think you'd NO U and hammer me, which would make me sad. And also if you didn't always suck this much as town.

Max, thanks for making D2 more pleasant for me than it could have been otherwise.  The dance of death phrasing, wasn't calling you to come out to die or be poked until you died.  But to actually play, like you have.

My wording probably sucks; the wording I used would work well on me.  I just don't know how to talk to you when you're like that, maybe show me sometime on someone.  Well played, dude.  I hope you weren't used like heck, that always sucks.  But I never intended to use you, and I appreciate your not making D1 hell for me either.

I already posted my wall of the vote analysis, you should have an impling of what I'm thinking. To me, NJW's use of their vote is far far too passive in day 1, at least in regards towards getting the lynch off of Max.

You say if Max is town, we shoud keep him alive cause they're useful. What f they're not. What if the others are town? Where is the line drawn, that this person shouldn't be lynched cause of 'if they are town'. You would suggest no lynch, and then we'd lose a townie at worst. And if NJW is town, we've lost a day of flip too. We might as well lynch Jack at that point instead.

Interesting.  I think you played a lot more sensibly and less protect mafia in Max's game.  I really wonder why.

Well, I'm as prepared as I can be, whatever comes.  I sure hope whatever flip we see, probably soon with you fellows getting like you are, it's anti-town.  If not, I don't get you.  If you're town and ignoring cases like mine, wow.  What a mess.

Given you lynched webadict. The chances of you being mafia is near 0.

Given I lynched webadict, the chances of NJW being mafia is how high?

And the chances of Max being mafia is how high?  Also, why?

The chance of NJW being mafia, I put at extremely high.  For the same reasons I marked web, anti-town interest, focus, and behavior.

I read Max as null today.  Close to what I read him yesterday.

What are you doing, Tric?  Whatcha thinking?

Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 05:37:59 pm

... Sorry Max. That might have been more useful during the wishbone discussion. I just don't trust you.

It wasn't useful at any point. It just informed my own suspicion, which I justified on its own, successfully, without needing to muddy the waters by implicating CM, whom I thought was (and continue to think is) town.

it is at least weakly pro town (to very) to allow another player to hide information they chose to hide, if you think the player is town.

The curse is also contagious(causes the player you targeted to have that effect) and causes the ability to become a one-shot and I feel this should be mentioned when setting up your bazaar

Do you know if your action you used does or could affect every ability Max has?

Please ask nqt if you have any uncertainty about this and share if you are willing.  At very least, you should know.

If this affects everything that Max does, it's interesting to know he doesn't tell us - but

It also may not apply to the one ability that Max was discussing offering to use, either because it's not on that, or because given the broad range of Max's change sphere ability, it doesn't apply because of targeting - only you can tell us that (and Max).  I figure Max is doing Max's job, and if he's about to curse/limit whomever he alters and chose not to tell us, that's interesting.  But who has kill sphere and how are they using it?  Currently the admits are Tric, who says he can't use it at all or anything right now, so turning his power into a usable 1-shot... it already was a one shot.  And it's used up.  So no new harm to Tric, and I think Tric shared this without Max exploring much.

The other is EJ, who is actually talking about choosing to use the kill despite the Page, course the Page-holder is talking about waffles.

But a limit on EJ, that Max didn't tell us ahead of time; I have zero problem with this.  This is completely acceptable, and to my read you 'allowed' Max the chance to share or not, and then decided to share.  Completely reasonable NAI play for you both.

Max also, when I looked into kill sphere on the item told us 'hey, I won't be affecting items'.  Which is a polite way to tell me without telling me he's also not cursing me, even if he is the others.  I could figure it out later - and/or, the curse's on a different ability, and who knows if Max can/will use it instead/too.  What I care about is how pro-town is the outcome of whatever happens.

So I'm not very excited or concerned or even changing my stance on anyone's townieness yet over this, though I note professional, reasonable, subtle play.  If Max is town, I cannot tell you how much I want him alive.

Guys, you know how I mentioned that I have an ability that applies limitation to an ability and how I was a double actor with a side effect? Well, I used my double acting last night. I stole the wishbone and I applied limitation to one of Maximum Spin's abilities and I don't think Maximum Spin has ever mentioned that.

Thanks, CM.

To my read, it's NAI that he hasn't mentioned it.  It's very slightly, and in this game not enough, to say 'so he should live longer', to hear that he's limited.  I catch that you probably sus Toony enough to steal from and Max enough to limit.

What matters is, is Max anti-town?  If he is, he has to die, soon as possible, and your limit's a good use in my eyes, he's reasonably sus and we're probably solving this game on how we talk and vote... especially who we vote.

To me there's higher odds anti-town available to vote; Max is null to me.

But if we allow Max to live today, that (1 or more of) his abilities are 'limited' in some way.  This may reduce the danger he poses or perhaps changes it.  He could have the limitations sphere and that could already be on the ability(ies) you hit.

It's not a bad play.  If we get lucky, a limit can even make stuff more pro-town if used.

Do you have concerns or questions about this, or want to discuss?

@Imp:
I would argue your behavior is not just anti-town, but anti-game because nobody wants to play. You've definitely crushed most player's spirits. Although Tric seems fine, I guess he's immune or has infinite willpower.

Hey, no probs.  I can totally make this my last game.  Sorry this couldn't be us this game, but it requires us having the same wincon, or me being totally fooled that we do.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW7XdVrTN5w