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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 02:29:42 pm »
Quote from: ToonyMan on February 05, 2024, 02:15:07 pm
I would rather be dead if Max is town. I wasn't thinking about the ramifications. I apologize about that, I think this is an understandable position for any player that has been reading Day 2.

if you are town, I need you.  Be you, sure.  But do your job.  Save me from the anti-town.  Don't help them.  Help me.  Forget the hell you're going through.  I'm sorry you have people that like to lord power over you lording power over you.  I didn't cause it and can only stop it for highly pro-town reasons.

Be the hero you are.  Save me from anti-town.  You're Toony.  I prize you.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 02:24:24 pm »
Quote from: Elephant Parade on February 05, 2024, 02:19:10 pm
I could see Toony/you, so...

Crystalizedmire: Could you post a read list?

Agreed.  You're actually seeing continuation of FBYOR, from me at least.  And more like FoU/EJ play, which I can't keep up my end except for the flip of:

Quote from: Imp on February 01, 2024, 05:48:33 pm
My preferences of the survival of people who might be not town.

I get that Toony's sus.  I still think Toony is town.

I do not support a Toony elim today, period.  I do not prefer that anyone else supports it, though I am aOK with anyone stating they think Toony is sus, but if Toony were flipped and shows town, my other suspicions are....

However, I am 100% okay with suspicions about Toony being openly discussed, checked on, verified, and reasonable expectations set of Toony.

I think Toony is town.  I think Toony could be not town, but that is incredibly unlikely.  However, I don't currently have strong mechanical proof of this.

If Toony is scum:

Toony once 'offered' me this, which I loved and offer back to Toony, this-game form of it.
Quote from: ToonyMan on January 02, 2024, 06:26:58 pm
At this point I'm hoping Imp is scum so I can enjoy watching them squirm as we make them dance the supercop dance and also not break Hector's post restriction. Continuously having to help the town, until eventually...there's no one left to inspect. Their batteries run out, and the dancing toy stops moving.

We now only have the bottom part, for today at least.

I'm kinda open to a NJW flips mafia D2, so EJ should flip Toons (page is out of play, that's an option, and a really good one, maybe... not sure, if NJW is mafia).

But Toony-imp courtesy, I'd be real glad if we need to kill Toony, that we kill him last of the needed kills.

That's irrelevant, personal preference.  But would be nice.  This game, we have no time to waste, unless we got really lucky and the scum asked for roles fit only for messing around uselessly.

Also, I very much want CM's reads.  Please let's not hammer before folks do their work, TOONY or ANYONE

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 02:18:50 pm »
Oh, and Golden Mountains.  Page in NJW's hands is that.  If NJW is town, keep him alive.  If he's scum, those golden mountains mean nothing.  Even if we don't elim him, those golden mountains he promised hide death to pro-town, and any 'promise' isn't real.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D1 Panics and Schemes
« on: February 05, 2024, 02:16:51 pm »
Quote from: Imp on February 01, 2024, 02:41:57 am
Quote from: Quarque on February 01, 2024, 02:37:18 am
Quote from: Maximum Spin on February 01, 2024, 02:09:34 am
There is no universe in which that's the team.
Weird that this is the first post I see when I wake up. I can't shake the feeling that this is exactly the most likely team.

Your weird talk about being masons with them.
You tell web & toony jump (vote CM) - they jump.

Fallacy's post on how Toony keeps doing this thing where he asserts things without providing reasons was a great coherent argument from him, I'm impressed. The thing is, all three of you have been doing that.

And then I see both Toony and web assert that we need to keep Max alive because he supposedly can separate the lovers, which is a disturbingly bad non-alignment reason to keep someone alive.

If you think Max is town, you keep him alive.
If you think Max is scum, you lynch him and any golden mountains he promised are irrelevant.
And it doesn't even matter in the first place, because the two of them are vulnerable to a nightkill too so if mafia wants the 2-for-1 they can always get it.

So yeah, there are a lot of universes where you three are a team. I have to type this before I go to work and day 1 ends.

So, use your vote, go to web?  Do you see a universe where Max is scum and web isn't?  If you think Max is scum, go for web?

I can see a universe where Max is town and saves web, irrespective of web's alignment.  But not the inverse.

Does anyone see a universe where Toony is scum and NJW isn't?

If you think Toony is scum, go for NJW.

I can see a universe where Toony is town and plays as he has, irrespective of Toony's alignment.  But if Toony's scum, NJW is scum.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 02:08:02 pm »
And are you just flat out ignoring my request for your reasons why he's scum, not NAI, Toons?  You can do that any time before you vote him, fine with me.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:47:19 pm »
Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 01:44:38 pm
It's on page 27. Might have misremembered it. But rereading that post... It just doesn't feel scummy to me.

With 25 messages per page?

if so, this.

Quote from: NJW2000 on January 30, 2024, 01:41:37 pm
Quote from: Elephant Parade on January 30, 2024, 01:05:41 pm
I dislike this readlist for some reason. Maybe it's that towniness seems to be roughly inversely correlated with sensibility and activity.
Like I said, our playstyles really don't agree. Some of what I wrote is based on intuition, and yep, sometimes I think someone's town based on unhelpful behaviour. When EJ sounds calm and systematic, it's generally bad news.

To be honest, the most frustrating thing about your posting that is the way you quoted everything but the spoiler tags.

Quote from: TricMagic on January 30, 2024, 01:18:33 pm
I feel it's time to point out to NJW that my double lynch would work if I was Mafia. In that it would recharge if I manage to lynch mafia. And I said it wouldn't recharge if mafia got hit. (But that would be the lie, ensuring towniness and a likely spot in end game.) Asssuming Mafia wouldn't have something isn't quite correct. For all you know I'm completely lying and just have a day mafiakill with weird mechanics.

As for the vote, I think you're coasting along. And web is always talkative.
I... uh... ok? After reading that several times, I kinda see your point about me not knowing how the elimination power works, but I stand by my read.

Yeah, the FoU vote is based on a boring thing. But everything he's posted is either bland and descriptive or basically conversation. His main contribution so far is "Max isn't being very productive" and "sofanthiel is flailing around madly"... which may be true, but is not good enough for someone with FoU's chaotic catgirl energy. If this was EP's main contribution D1, then maybe that would get a pass, but FoU is required to have ideas, or gut instincts, or something.

Are you... townreading someone from a single D1 post and not gonna consider anything else and we hug and love the townie, believable, knows the mafiakill can never kill mafia Tric for this, right?

I don't mean to insult you, but what the bleep are you doing except trying to feed me poison candy?

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:45:25 pm »
Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 01:40:20 pm
NJW keeps the page, protects themselves, and we don't see a kill tonight. That's probably their action. If the page ends up in someone else hands, then there is a problem.

No argument.  I still have serious, top level concern about NJW being anti-town.  I have no idea about Max.  I know what I'ma think and feel and do if I see pro town or anti town flip from anyone who goes.

Few of you pros saw web as scum D1 either.  Glad I got help to get that elim down.  Wonder how bad it'll suck tonight.  I want to see an anti-town flip so bad, and I think there's one in NJW.

That said, you all do what you do.

If we have someone who explodes into a hammer, it's not me, today.  And I don't know that I can ever do that, but I think anything but alignment change can happen to any of us this game.

And I think about who benefits from Max dead, especially if Max flips not mafia.  If Max is independent anti-town, I am thrilled for the flip and want him gone.  But if that happened, his protect of web is nai.

Tric, others, what's your actual case on Max again?

I'd like to read them all again after we see Max's flip, so please, all of you post your case on Max, you who vote him now. Why is he anti-town to you again?  To me he's null.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:37:51 pm »
Just remembered, everyone can trade it.  If you wanna use it as a trade item, a less action-eating give, it also 'neuters' the Page from what we've been told.  I will never try to take it.  I will put it back in play if it ends up in my hands, if at least half of you want it that way.  Totally cool with me.  Except I really see anti-town squirrel in NJW's mess about it.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:35:37 pm »
Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 01:18:01 pm
(Being 'why give it to you last night instead of someone else.')

My thoughts:

Nobody wants to hold the Page and die with it, though maybe someone can be bullied into doing so (We lynch you tomorrow if you don't hold the Page.  If you're town, hold it and die that way, free the lynch for us to take out someone maybe not town - and that's a pretty nice scumplay too).

However, NJW volunteered, and took it, and kept it, until he heard more and went all squirrel after hearing more.

Ignoring NJW silliness entirely.  I see two 'good' uses of the dagger.

1) I take it out of play.  Let's forget that for now.

2) The rest of you, not including me, pass it around like a hot potato.  It eats actions, if give happens to cost that person an action.  Maybe 'we' agree someone dies with it to take it out of play or is tomorrow's lynch.  I'm not sure enough of scum to do that, also, I'm glad we didn't give scum web with that flip even 1 more night and the chance to talk during the day (I don't know why I didn't die last night, but I had the Page.  I didn't die.  I don't know why someone else did/nobody did, but really, I can trade it, I have the Page!  And I didnt die!  I can't explain why!  But look in the corner, maybe there's scum there!).

If more than 4 of you wanna do that with the page, sure.  But do we 'free' NJW from his stupid scum game yesterday and today?  I say no.

But if half of the players in play say they wanna keep tossing that Page between themselves, sure.  If it ends up in my hands (totally possible) I'll be sure to offer it in trade that day for whomever wants to pass it around the next night.

Which idea do you like better, if it's not used as NJW originally requested?

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:26:58 pm »
Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 01:18:01 pm
The main issue I have is the middle line can be read two ways. The one you're reading, or NJW simply discussing a past point. (Being 'why give it to you last night instead of someone else.')
Got it.  I'm not god.  I don't know.  I only want anti-town dead, big time this game.  We seriously need to not give anti-town time.

I can kinda read it both ways, and it hurts that I have absolutely zero meta read of NJW.  Rereading past games is not the same, I need to push through the interaction myself.  But the fact that it matches 'scum omg scum' is poo.  Why be so scum, so many times, so much waffle... there's other ways to achieve the same ends.  Maybe that's NJW.  The very little meta I tried to scan for, I don't get that.

But I can't be bribed.  And when have we **ever** had a game where the mafiakill could be controlled like this?  Maybe we have.  I've not seen or read it.  But I did think your question nqt answered was absolutely garbage in the water, for whatever that's worth.

Quote from: notquitethere on February 04, 2024, 12:52:10 pm
Quote from: TricMagic on February 04, 2024, 12:20:20 pm
NQT, can the Mafiakill kill mafia, and/or be redirected onto the user themselves? Last I checked, the mafiakill usually can't kill mafia.
Yes, I'm not aware of any game on this subforum where a mafiakill can't kill mafia if redirected etc.. Certainly mafiakills killing mafia is a possibility in this game.

I don't want you to waste time proving you checked and found that mafiakills usually can't kill mafia.  I think you're doing I don't know what, but play anti-town games, win anti-town prizes.  Especially with Robin Hood the Secret Santa in play.  Not that I can do much to you except not help you.  And I'm not sure enough not to help you.  But come on, Tric.  People yell at me for honest, based on what seems to me to be fact questions on potentially real what ifs.

Everyone tells me that's scummy.  I don't understand.  It's hard for me to see that you really thought that thing you claim, I know of many mafia games where mafia killed mafia.  You and I played together in FBYOR, where that happened N1, I suppose you claim that since you died D1 you have no idea, and you've never run into the idea before despite it happening before (I can find at least one right now).  So, should I read your question as scum, as so many read my honest questions about what ifs as scum?  It isn't a scumtell from me.

That's for others.  I can't read that as scum, looks like Tric playing 'protect mafia', which I guess is a null tell from Tric.

What else can I do to help you understand and get useful, pro-town information?

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:14:44 pm »
But that one is extra horribad.

Why/how can we get the page to CM for functional use N3, without having it not in use at all N2?  If it's traded today OR given or otherwise moved tonight, from what we have been told about it, it won't 'do its job', it'll be like N1 was.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:13:11 pm »
Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 01:11:17 pm
Quote from: NJW2000 on February 04, 2024, 11:27:37 am
Imp, I’m skimming 60% of what you post. First I’ve seen of this ability to specifically upgrade stuff is Tric’s post.

I don’t know what you mean about questions for NQT. I asked about you being willing to take the bible page even though it may not draw the kill to you, when there is the option to block the kill n3 by giving both to idk, Crystallized or whatever.

I can’t be certain I’ll block the kill. But there’s a pretty good chance. This is all I can know.
I assume it's this post you're talking about?

Way more than that.  I've discussed in the last few hours.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:08:55 pm »
Presuming we flip Max and see anti-town, and game isn't over.

I go into N2 very relieved.  I'm relieved with any anti-town, the scary ones more than the rest, but they're all superbad to me.  The odds of my not eating the apple increase, but I still might.

Presuming we flip Max and see pro-town, well game ain't over.  Now we lost Max, who wasn't anti-town.  And we probably have scum in control of that Page.  I'm probably eating apple.

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:05:51 pm »
Quote from: TricMagic on February 05, 2024, 12:54:49 pm
On another perspective I jut had. 'Prevent future nightkills.' You take it to be scum phrasing, but wouldn't that just mean they eat the apple tonight, and then use their ability the next night?

Sure.  What about all the rest of their scum phrasing?

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Mafia / Re: NQT's Choose-Your-Own-Spheres - -D2 Rotten Apples
« on: February 05, 2024, 01:05:28 pm »
If NJW is scum, most likely partners are somewhere between Tric, Toons, EJ, no particular order, not that I read groups well.

If Max is scum, I have no idea who third partner is.  I presume we face 3 anti-town, no idea if they're all scum.

CM:  Probably town.

EP:  Probably town.

NJW:  I really wish was town, but the anti-town is strong.

EJ:  Way too interested in being able to have kill sphere and have toony and get EP and probably get more.  Small dreams, one step at a time, doesn't seem mafia but serial killer working on a killer chat, I wonder.  Or Mafia hiding mafia by enjoying sharing dreams of focus of kill toony when and iff.  Or town doing that.  Ehh.  Not strong anti-town, just strong anti-toony.  I think the apple fixation that one showed was 'omg imp's gonna save toony with it'.  Nah.  1st, I can't forcefeed.  2nd, I have larger dreams, and Toons could be scum.  But if he's pro-town I really want him alive, same with you, just please stop playing dumb games before tsunami superfree action anti-town eat us all, cause if that's our scum we have little time left.

FoU:  Can't read that person.  Their night claim proves an action was used, maybe.  Also proves they had zero control of who benefited except themself, and they chose to empower the most dangerous and powerful power in the game, which helps everyone... and that we know web had it and is dead, maybe helps town more than anti-town.  I have no idea.  I can't read them.  Hope to read strong pro-town in the future!

Max:  Can't read him.  If he's anti-town and we flip him, thank you all.  Thing is, he looks as anti-town as everyone who 'protected' or didn't push for web.  If that's the reason, NAI and useful for the real anti-town.  Cause if Max is town, he wants to save max but needs to kill anti-town.  If I was anti-town, I want Max dead, more than anyone else in play.  Max can probably read me real.  Wish I could do the same.

Tric:  Playing Tric games, mix of pro-town/maybe anti-town.  Enough pro-town for me to be semi-okay.  Still getting my future help or some of it, if I have a future. 

Toony:  Earth to Toony.  I bet you're getting your head kicked in everywhere you chat.  Good luck, hope you're town, do good town stuff whatever you're doing.

May the mod have mercy on us all.

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