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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: December 20, 2023, 05:53:37 pm »Yeah so I think I should clarify my stance. What I want is effectively a universal labor union, not these piecemeal industry- and geography-specific unions. Ostensibly that is what the labor laws in the US did for a while, and was partly why the unions got weak - the workers had their protections in law, and they were paying for it with taxes, so didn't really want to double-pay by also paying union dues.
There are universal labor unions in Spain. I was (still am, though I should really sign off now that I've not worked there in 4 years) a member of one back in Spain. In Ireland I'm a member of a trade-specific one (the IHCA).
Both approaches have their pros and cons. Obviously 'universal'unions are bigger, which gives them more theoretical strenght. Trade specific ones might cater to needs that are more specific to yourself.
I think its important to know how to use unions. I think its important to join one, but its also important to understand that they are another burocracy you'll have to navigate, not an instant 'sort out my problems'card
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My other concerns are the unions are targeting the employers - which are the entities that generally are actually creating wealth - instead of targeting the industries that are charging people lots of money. You don't get a functional economy by stressing the entities that actually create wealth.I dont know what you mean by this. Obviously unions target the employers not the workers. Thats how collective bargaining works.
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I almost think we don't need labor unions, but we need consumer unions. Collective bargaining for housing, for instance. I dunno how you'd swing that, to be honest, but it's an interesting thought. Make a resident-owned real-estate conglomerate, with the goal not of making money, but of keeping prices down.
Consumer associations also exist. But what you're proposing is actually in effect a state bureau for housing. I dont disapprove mind you, but I never took you for a communist