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Fuck it, 2020 was a write-off, my lease is up at the end of June, what's another year of my life among friends nobody anyways? I can probably manage it on my savings...

I'mmah take Poo's expertise on this one if only to assuage my fears, never mind that it's his job to know this stuff. We've learned an awful lot about coronaviruses in a small amount of time, surely cutting-edge knowledge can keep atop the matter even if social and economic leaders cannot?

Dont take my word for it. Nobody knows this stuff man. And I was fucking wrong back in February 2020 when I thought Euro goverments had a plan for all this and we'd be spared the ghastly scenes happening elsewhere. For what I've reading  I tend to think... well, the way I think. But I'd not be too surprised if suddenly they told us that so-and-so vaccine worked worse than previously thought against some variety or other. I do expect some degree of protection for the foreseeable future. I mean, the vaccines make you non-naive and common sense suggests that has to count for something. But again, who knows.

I tend to agree with what wierd and thompson said. I think making people non-naive to covid would be an advantage in itself.  That being said, the AZ vaccine looks worse and worse.

Ultimately, I see Covid (and its mutant strains), being "A new flu", in terms of needing yearly vacc.

This is because of its high contagion rate, animal reservoir populations, and consistent stupid human behaviors.

The upshot is that the global population will cease being "naive" to the pathogen, and so over time, the infection will become more like flu in how people's bodies respond to it.  (at least in theory, we need clinical data over time to verify that.) 


Improvements in treatment regimens, antiviral drugs, and things of that nature will also help turn this page in history, but I forsee Covid sticking around long-haul, like Flu.

Ideally, people would just take two vaccines, the less effective one if it’s available sooner, then the more effective one. Provided people understand this is how it works there’s no issue with a vaccine that offers only moderate protection. It’s not as if the alternative is everyone staying at home for as long as required.

But a vaccin's purpose should not be relieving pressure on hospitals by decreasing disease severity, it should be preventing infection.

Well the flu vaccination campaigns work on that principle.

Fuck, it is official now.
The AstraZeneca and Janssen vaccines do not work against the South-African variant. As in, not at all. There was no difference in number of infected between the test groups and control groups.

It is not yet known if the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines are also ineffective against it, that is still being researched.

EDIT: As a small consolation though, the Janssen vaccin did signicficantly reduce the disease's severity. Those who were infected needed no hospitalization.

Well its not. Not official I mean. It was a minuscule study that did not achieve clinical significance. Lets not forget that AZ wasnt terribly effective at preventing symptomatic covid to begin with. 60% prevention is the lower bracket of acceptable vaccine parameters

Btw: severe covid suppression, if confirmed, would be a good enough reason to give these vaccines to people if lacking stock from the others. Its not a small consolation, its a pretty big deal. If we didnt have several vaccines with >90% efficacy we'd be dancing a jig for a vaccine that minimized hospitalizatiom and death to manageable levels


There is some invitro evidence of the Pfizer vac working against SA variant but like all IV stuff, tske with a pinch of salt

Well it depends. Medical grade vitamin D is usually a stronger dose and you dont take 8t every day...

Quote from: Cthulhu on February 04, 2021, 12:06:01 am

New "research" on "long COVID"

Still possible it's some kind of immune system issue, but if we're being really really really real, this is another case of Chronic Idiopathic I Don't Feel Good Syndrome.

1. Find an online support group for CIIDFGS (it goes by many other names)
2. Ask them to list everything shitty they've felt in the last month
3. Write down everything in the list as a symptom of CIIDFGS
4. Publish that shit

Exacerbated by the fact that nobody feels good right now because it's winter and there's a pandemic and we've been stuck in our homes for a year now unable to do anything.  Valid to feel fucked up right now.  There's definitely long-term consequences to severe COVID, considering it damages the lungs and heart, but "long COVID" as popularly described is pretty dubious.

You are being extremely insensitive to people who have been coping with very serious health issues for many months after ' curing'  from Covid.

In other words, you are being an asshole.

Well no, actually, he's not denying long covid, he's criticising a particular study due to it's methodology. Which is not unfair: they are basically running online polls for their paper.

Anddd... really, maybe we should all step back and  breathe deeply before start flinging epithets? I know we are all quite emotional about this. There has been too much death, too much pain. None here are without sin, but I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away. Leave the pump, the oil, the gasoline, and the whole compound,  and I spare your lives. Just walk away. I will give you safe passage in the wasteland. Just walk away and there will be an end to the horror. I await your answer. You have one full day to decide

Bubonic plague, Spanish influenza, Wuhan virus, Sars,

What's next, I tell you?

WHAT'S NEXT?

British supergonorrhea

Quote from: King Zultan on February 01, 2021, 05:02:42 am

With all the governments being stupid should we start handing out copies of that Civil Defense pamphlet that tells you how to dispose of a dead body?

Only if your government is too stupid to dispose of the bodies themselves

Kind of insensitive given that dead bodies over the capability of funerary services to cope has already happened many times in the last 12 months. Just saying.