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General Discussion / Re: ~Epiricus (another religious discussion)
« on: October 05, 2009, 04:46:49 pm »
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God is omniscient, and omnipotent. That means he can take the 'best' course of action. First problem - define the 'best' course of action. What we imperfect humans might see as the 'best' course of action is almost definitely not what God would see as the best course of action. Maybe everything that happens really IS the best alternative. God's end goal isn't the same as our end-goal. He values the component parts of our lives differently than we do. Maybe everything that happens is the best, for the fate of our eternal souls. Generally that doesn't come into our consideration very often. Anyway, there's no way of knowing, as we're not omniscient, we're not omnipotent, we're not God, and a big part of religion is just letting go of what YOU think should happen, and accepting that God has things under control, and he definitely knows what he is doing.

I was going to include an example here, but I'm not skilled enough to do so without possibly getting the wrong thing across, again. Suffice to say that although bad things can happen, they can lead to greater good.

And that's me done. I'm neither old enough, nor learned enough, nor pious enough to continue this argument, and if this post manages to get the wrong point across as well I'm gonna RAEG.

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General Discussion / Re: ~Epiricus (another religious discussion)
« on: October 05, 2009, 12:54:34 am »
Exactly (Ok, I know I said I'd stop, but one more. Probably my bad for poor choice of language. Should have stuck with all actions have consequences.)

If someone does something, they need to be prepared to face the consequences - that's just how life works. God isn't being cruel when the parachuter who packed his parachute incorrectly splats on the ground - God simply isn't interfering with our lives. Now, he COULD save the jumper, but, human nature being what it is, they'd probably jump again. And quite possibly make the same mistake, or even deliberately choosing to go poorly-equipped, to try and get saved again.

Maybe not the best metaphor, but there it is. We can't just rely on God to save us from the consequences of all our actions, and we certainly don't have the right to call him out for 'punishing' us with the results of our actions (that's like the parachuter blaming God for creating gravity). We can point out that God did a lot of smiting back in the Old Testament, but, as with all the Bible, there's generally more to the stories than meets the eye. And when's the last time you saw Joe Blogg struck by lightning for taking God's name in vain?

In short, there's a long jump from 'not omni-benevolent' to 'threatening/cruel/evil/not worthy of worship/not benevolent'

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Other Games / Re: Neverdaunt 8bit
« on: October 04, 2009, 09:54:49 pm »
Yeah, but I live in li'l ol' NZ, so I doubt it will make much difference. Tell me when they do, just in case. Also, I was unhappy that my dude was unable to leap into that nifty hot spa - will liquids be implemented anytime soon? (even roughly)

Of course, if they are, you know you gotta make magma too. ;)

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General Discussion / Re: ~Epiricus (another religious discussion)
« on: October 04, 2009, 09:51:32 pm »
Where did I say that? Where?

Anyway, I'll contribute no more to this thread. I am NOT going to start a flamewar.

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Other Games / Re: Neverdaunt 8bit
« on: October 04, 2009, 09:50:12 pm »
OH GOD THE LAG OH GOD THE LAG.

...On another note, I got in first try. Bad luck, Cthulhu. Did you mix up your player and account names? (Unlikely, but)

But seriously, the game lags to an unplayable extent when I try to build or attack a Shrine - the fun part. Still, I hope you know what you've unleashed on this virgin game, by telling us to come and join. The fortresses, followed by server crash, shall be GLORIOUS ;D

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General Discussion / Re: ~Epiricus (another religious discussion)
« on: October 04, 2009, 08:34:05 pm »
There is a difference between omni-benevolence and benevolence.

benevolence (countable and uncountable; plural benevolences)

   1. (uncountable) disposition to do good
   2. (uncountable) charitable kindness
   3. (countable) an altruistic gift or act


Omni-benevolent
From Latin omni- meaning 'all', and benevolent, meaning 'good'. This may be a recent creation, extrapolating the contextual meanings of 'omniscient' and 'omnipotent' to describe, in a consistent manner, this third divine quality.

   1. All-loving, or infinitely good, usually in reference to a deity or supernatural being, for example, 'god'. Its use is often with regards to the divine triad, whereby a deity is described to be simultaneously omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent. This triad is used especially with the Christian god, Jehovah.

          The omnibenevolent God, by definition, was unable to withhold forgiveness from his people.

As I see it, omni-benevolent means being unable to refuse help, unable to not do good things. An omni-benevolent being would be shackled by the need to do good things. And God doesn't like being shackled, by anything - he deliberately goes out of the way to avoid being stuck in a box or defined by us humans. He's benevolent, sure. (See my earlier quote. 1000 generations = ~20,000 years of blessing) But not omni-benevolent - and that's not necessarily a bad thing. Some things need to be punished. Actions have consequences, and we'd never learn from our mistakes if God just made the consequences 'go away'.

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you angry today thread.
« on: October 04, 2009, 04:12:36 pm »
THAT makes me angry.

Back when I enjoyed Final Fantasy I wasted hours of my life on that bloody Marlboro-or-however-you-spell-it-status-effect-octupus-plant-thing on FF8 to get Doomtrain.

EDIT: Let me clarify why that thing made me RAEG. The FIRST TURN, it would use a special attack that would cast damn-near EVERY STATUS AILMENT on the book on EVERY PARTY MEMBER, barring doom. You then had to kill the bloody thing, praying like hell your party members didn't berserk themselves to death, or get poisoned to death, or fail to heal due to being silenced, or fail to do any damage due to being blinded. And it would periodically cast the ailments AGAIN. Not to mention it did large chunks of damage already. And then there's the fact that it was a RARE MONSTER, with an EVEN RARER DROP, meaning you had to fight about a HUNDRED OF THE BLOODY THINGS TO GET THE ITEMS YOU NEEDED FOR A SUMMON THAT WASNT EVEN THAT GOOD. MEANWHILE, FIGHTING THROUGH DOZENS OF OTHER PAIN-IN-THE-ASS MONSTERS WHO GOT IN THE ROAD.

*Takes deep breath* God I hate Marlboro. I hate it SO MUCH.

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General Discussion / Re: ~Epiricus (another religious discussion)
« on: October 04, 2009, 04:06:11 pm »
Grand_Marquis - where in the bible does it say God is omni-benevolent? In the Old Testament, he often refers to himself as 'a Jealous God' and brings down His holy wrath on the people who oppose him. He simply blesses the people who love him more. There is no logical fallacy, but, at the same time, the argument is wrong, for assuming God is omni-benevolent. Benevolent, definitely, but not omni-benevolent.

for I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the fathers to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me, but showing love to a thousand [ generations] of those who love me and keep my commandments.” NIV  (Ex 20:4-6)

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Other Games / Re: Warhammer 40k
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:18:16 pm »
Ok, we'll put Chaos and Tau on the list as doubly screwed, seconded by the Dark Eldar, who will run out of things to torture if they win.

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Other Games / Re: Warhammer 40k
« on: October 02, 2009, 08:05:27 pm »
Basically, everyones screwed, except for the off chance Tau or the Empire win. If the Orks win, they'll kill each other anyway. If the Necrons win, well they're already dead, so I doubt they'll really enjoy it. If Chaos win, they can look forward to endless torture and mutation, and if Eldar win, they can rest happy with the knowledge that their dead brethren's souls have been eaten by a god of Chaos. And if Tyranids win, they'll eventually starve, and they don't really have a mind to appreciate 'winning' either.

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Life Advice / Re: Clever vs. Intelligent
« on: October 02, 2009, 04:07:16 pm »
And it can also be situational - I'm reasonably intelligent, and clever, but I manage to do some REALLY stupid things.

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Life Advice / Re: Clever vs. Intelligent
« on: October 01, 2009, 10:11:46 pm »
I challenge the confident part, but otherweise agree. Also, there needs to be a distinction for common sense, another form of intelligence distinct from the rest.

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Creative Projects / Re: +The Engravers Guild+
« on: October 01, 2009, 04:51:19 pm »
I also lack a tablet, and a scanner, although I wouldn't be able to contribute much anyway.

Does anyone else find it takes them a ridiculously long amount of time to do even simple drawings? Like ~15 mins for a reasonably detailed frame/blockman/skeleton, ~30 mins to flesh it out further and another ~30 mins before it started looking near completion?

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Other Games / Re: Scribblenauts
« on: October 01, 2009, 04:47:59 pm »
Weird - when I used the chinese dragon it 1 hit K.O'd the dragon - you have to be riding it and select the 'use animal' command though. Also, I thought T-Rex beat the dragon?

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Creative Projects / Re: A novel in 30 days
« on: September 30, 2009, 11:12:26 pm »
Just start with something simple - I devise my (never realised) plots with my characters in mind. (If x happened, what would Character Y do? How would characters A and B respond?)

Of course, I have no idea how this works in practice - but I HATE railroading ideas.

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