Bay 12 Games Forum

Quote from: Micro102 on July 12, 2021, 07:29:03 pm

Unfortunately, if global warming keeps going the way it is, the wet-bulb zone near the equator will grow. Deserts will grow. Sea levels will rise and destroy tons of cropland and houses, and this will cause mass migration to actual livable areas combined with a lack of food production. It will likely turn into a bloodbath.

Literally impossible for a planet to grow both warmer and more arid without like, blasting off huge chunks of the ocean and atmosphere into space*.

Deserts reach their largest extent during the peaks of ice ages, they retreat and disappear during the warmest parts of interglacials.


*smashing a large enough chunk of rock (or smaller chunk at sufficient velocity) would definitely raise the temperature of all locations near the surface while doing away with all that wet stuff nicely

The planet doesn't need to become more arid. It just needs to have the water redirected to somewhere else. If the heat rises in an area, water will evaporate faster. Plants will die. And when the plants die, the soil loses it's ability to hold water and resist wind. Plants can't grow in it as easily. So the edges of forests and jungles will slowly make way to desert.

Quote from: Naturegirl1999 on July 12, 2021, 07:06:57 pm

I don’t see a problem with artificial meat. Then again I’m not religious anymore. I used to be a Christian but I don’t think there’s anything in the Bible against fake meat. I don’t know a whole lot about other religions regrettably. Theoretically lab grown meat would need less food and water than an animal, plus we could grow just the parts we eat and not have to worry about skinning/gutting/deboning carcasses

My fear with artificial meat is the same with most other artificial things: what it's actually made of. The lowest quality meat is still somewhere around 30% actual meat. The worst cuts, possibly expired, but still meat.

When the only objective is that it has the consistency and flavor of meat and has protein, well, I'm sure all kinds of things can meet that bar. Reminds me of a story once told to me by a guy who works in chemical manufacturing. One of the older artificial sweetners, I forget which one, was a byproduct of the rubber vulcanization process. Yet another byproduct of that process was later used by Subway to keep their bread firm and make it last longer.

No one actually knows what this shit does in the human body after decades of consuming it. The business cycle in the US doesn't allow for that kind of research and proofing before we approve it for human consumption. We just want to know if it will, more or less, instantly kill people. If it just shaves 10 to 20 years off someone's life ehhhhhh.....they were probably the bad ones anyways right?

So I'm increasingly leery of food items where the primary cook is a PHD Chemist.

I assume that meat vats aren't going to be synthesized from chemicals. It's going to be muscle and fat cells that can grow without limit, and they just keep feeding it nutrients and cutting off chunks as it grows.

Apparently I can see the old posts in a tab I haven't closed by pressing the "Back" button. I can't go back far enough for Vector's post, but if someone else has had a tab open for Bay12, maybe they can go back far enough to copy and paste it?

Sad news 

Bugs attack my rails without any provocation and the rampant mod options to make these immune are not working, and because they are in the "map" section, I feel like I have to restart the entire game. Syncing the mods resets the settings, so I think I'm just screwed. Unless someone who is knowledgeable with mods can help.

I haven't specifically seen this happen, but have seen a train damaged sitting in my train stop which leads me to suspect that the sudden attacks on railways is because the train has hit a bug that was on it's way to attack you, which caused them to aggro on everything in the vicinity. Makes sense, otherwise I would employ a wall of endlessly moving trains as a barrier

Welp, my game went horribly wrong.... I can only assume this was caused by the rampant mod as I'm not quite sure how this could happen with vanilla pollution levels. Suddenly, literally thousands of bugs all charged this one particular defense together. 8 turrets, concrete walls, myself chucking endless grenades, dozens of distraction drones and defensive drones.... Couldn't hold it. hundreds of bugs died over the course of a couple of minutes, then hundreds more flooded my base. It seems like the game just spawned them out of thin air as my pollution level was very low (15% of the 0.65 evolution rate was due to pollution).

I've seen this endless spawning before when I've cleared nests out. They never stop and the result is "fly around with your jet pack for 10 minutes taking pot shots with an antimaterial rifle", Can't even use a tank because there are simply too many of them.

The rampant mod made the game more intense, but if it's ultimately going to just be "spawn infinite units regardless of pollution" then I don't see much point in keeping it.

Haven't noticed any change in the bug AI, but we will see in time. Scratch that, they are avoiding the places other bugs have died!

On another note, I just realized I'm going to have to rebuild my entire base over and automate twice as much as I expected.

yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay

Krastorio 2 + Space Exploration's another massive expansion, one that isn't quite as masochistic as bob + angel but still has some interesting new logistics to consider.

I took your recommendation and it's adding a lot more content and doing a good job of not feeling like a replay. Better than Bob's stuff too.

However I realized that the enemies are still lacking. I would love the idea of setting up walls and guns throughout the base, however enemies are predictable and I just end up doing what I did before. Make 2x2 gun "towers" with walls in the way of their paths and throw in 800 ammo. I don't have to check them for hours.

It would be cool if there was a mod that added more variety other than "run here". Like bugs that probe defenses before charging. Or big bug waves that give a warning. Or bugs that tunnel underneath.