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Hey everyone, it's been quite a long time since I've done anything Dwarf Fortress. So I thought I'd stop by cause I was thinking about it.

How's everything been going?

Has DF/Toady been making a lot of progress? What's the current news on him?

How's the modding been going?

Anything else you feel you should include to an avid, long been gone, DF player that'd be semi-important would be fine too.

This is my go at an under the ocean city. I will not be using magma for casting the city. The entrance shall be a light house, complete with a light source of sorts. (Bonfires) These will have to be re-lit every so often as they don't last forever. The goal is to have a completely underwater base, with as little underground work as possible. I'm going to have to drain the ocean... yes... drain the ocean to be able to build the fortress... There's going to be A LOT of waiting with that one. Without further ado, here's various information and story...

---Information---

Civilization - The Armory of Sun
Fortress Name - Waterworld
Group Name - The Subtle City
The Embark Sign - Jaguar

The map...
6x6 map with a 100 zlevel cliff underwater. On the north strip of the map is a 6 embark tile wide area of land. It's perfectly flat with little ponds and a bunch of trees. There are elephants...

---The Starting Seven---

Unavailable "McBoss" - Sodel Biskalath (Veilbolt) - Aspid Dwarf - Female
Available - Ushrir Ulabmeng (Squirtlash) - Moss Dwarf - Female
Available - Dodok Kilrudstesok (Bronzemolten - Shroom Dwarf - Female
Available - Olon Estostrigoth (Containcraft) - Shroom Dwarf - Male
breadbocks "Sharpbolt" - Imush Udilsokan (Lanternphrase - Stone Dwarf - Male - The Cake is a Lie
KJGJ - Asmel Artobolin (Combinetongs) - Stone Dwarf - Male
Ninja Pichu "Ampersand" - Udib Sakrithbomrek (Blazedwhipped) - Stone Dwarf - Female - Doctor

Next available...

Daywalkah - NAME - Jade Dwarf - Male - Metalworker/?Mechanic?
Jetsquirrel "The Butcher" - NAME - SOMETHING DWARF - Female - Cook

---Prelude---
-Year 9 - Spring
The king, what a fool he is. He's casting me out for my ideas. I only wish for the betterment of the mountainhome and this is how they treat me. Throw me out with 6 other unwanteds. We were allowed to choose where we wished to embark though. So all was not lost. With the constant plague of demons and megabeasts alike, we've decided to go against normal tradition. To build a place, that a normal person would not think to look for dwarfs. Under the sea. We've been told that all the other 'blasphemers' will be sent to us. That's alright with me! We'll show the traditional dwarf what it means to be innovative and not always do the same thing! In the end, they will want to come to us. They will embrace our ideas and our methods. We will embrace their arrival, I do not hate them for being stuck in their ways, I could not hate a fellow dwarf. We're preparing for our embark, we're told that there is little we're allowed, maybe they don't want us to grow.

-Year 9 - Fall
Our trek has taken a turn for the worse. We've lost countless supplies and our anvil! Looks like we're going to pray for a caravan... pray we live until then as well. The weather is nice at least, it's nice and warm.

-Year 10 - Spring
We've made it! We've made it to our destination, thank Armok. I was beginning to get worried there. Lots of big game wildlife around here. We're going to need to be careful. Here's to surviving the journey and beginning the surviving here on this beach.

---The Story Begins---

1st Granite, 10, Early Spring
-Agenda-
Establish a wall.
Establish a farming area.
Establish a area for potable water.
Prepare for new arrivals
Live.

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McBoss - "Get to work guys! I don't want to see you guys laying around sipping margaritas!"

Others - "Awww, c'mon! Can't we relax for a little while?"

McBoss - "Are those... wait what are those? They look like... ELEPHANTS!"

Everyone - "Oh shit! WALL WALL WALL!"

---

5th Felsite, 10, Late Spring

-Agenda-
Establish a wall. CHECK!
Establish a farming area.
Establish an area for potable water.
Prepare for new arrivals.
Live.
DRAIN THE OCEAN!


McBoss - "Good job boys! We've established ourselves a fancy shmancy litte 2 level house dealio here!"

Imush - "Those damn waves didn't help at all, almost lost one of us."

McBoss - "But I didn't! And you all lived, so you're all stronger now."

Ushrir - "I guess you have a point, but still we need to some how make this light house deeping into the ocean."

McBoss - "I have the perfect plan! We're going to... DRAIN THE OCEAN!"

Non-boss dudes - "WHAT?!?!?!"

McBoss - "You see, it's quite easy, with how Dwarf Fortress isn't quite bug free, there's a nifty little trick where you can carve a fortification into the side of the map and water will drain INSTANTANEOUSLY, cause tons of lag and the ocean will be drained. Of course there is some other stuff to be careful of... Like making sure the dwarf opening the hole to the ocean is a good swimmer."

Dodok - "Way to break the fourth wall McBoss..."

McBoss - "Hey! It's still gotta work! Right? Right...?"

-silent paus-

McBoss - "Well, we're doing it anyways!"

---

15th Felsite, 10, Late Spring

-Agenda-


McBoss - "Hey guys! Guess what! We're ready to drain the ocean. Guess who gets to go!"

Asmel - "Who?"

McBoss - "YOU DO! You spoke up first, so you lose."

Asmel - "You know I hate you right? I'm so going to clonk you a good one if I make it out of this alive."

McBoss - "Well get to it! I'll be waiting behind this door for you, I'll open it when you knock on the door 2 and a half times."

Asmel - "Alright well here I... wait... two and a half times? Are you kidding me?"

McBoss - "Well, you're going to slam into the door from the insane pressure of 100 z-levels of ocean. So we'll count that as half a knock."

Asmel - "That's reassuring..."

Asmel walks out the door and McBoss braces it for the impact. "Here I go." Tick tick tick... "Uh-oh" WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH (game lags for like 10 minutes) THUD! .......... knock........... knock........

McBoss - "That's it!"

McBoss unbraces the door, water rushes in along with Asmel. Laying on his back and coughs up some water.

Asmel - Cough cough hack cough "That..." Cough cough "was... AMAZING!" he spits a few times. "If it wasn't for the crushing pain and the nasty taste of that ocean water, I'd say let's do that again."

McBoss - "That's the spirit! No rest for the wicked though. We need to get working... and fast! if we want any sort of decent frame rate back."

Asmel - "Good plan, I don't feel like moving like a glacier for the rest of my life."

OOC - I'd like to point out that was the amount of time that was required for my game to respond.The ocean took quite a long time to drain. I'd get very very random screen updates as water quickly disappeared. I am embarked on a 6x6 map area where 6x5 of the map is water. 100 zlevels of water. With a perfectly flat bottom. Let's do a little math!

48 x 6 = 288, 48 x 5 = 240

Alright so the map water area only is 288x240 tiles wide. It's 100 zlevels of water. so...

288 x 240 x 100 = 6912000

Yes, that's right... 6912000 tiles of water. ALL reacting, at once. That's... A lot of water. I'm going to be here a while.

--Alright the time between the math bit was when I decided to watch the movie Blade. I finished the movie and it was still going, but it's picking up pace. The ocean isn't drained all the way yet. I'm thinking of watching Blade 2 and continuing the process.

The thread is going to be remade cause it's so far and hasn't been made yet... But for your pleasure, the stats are as follows.

Civilization - The Closed Room
Fortress Name - Waterworld
Group Name - The Chambers of Ice
The Embark Sign - Grizzly Bears

The Map... The white is ice, it's 44 zlevels thick. Yes, it's on an ocean.

The Map... These are the "sheer" cliffs you can get without having a river cause it.

Those points eventually turn into squares at the bottom.

The rest of this is going to be in the new thread "Areloram - The underwater city"

I've been playing a lot of minecraft lately and am always having fun with that. When I stop wanting to play DF that is...

Anyways...

I've been wanting to make a USS Enterprise, to scale (preferably) and was getting to thinking...

Height and width isn't the problem here... the length is.

760 meters according to one website (this is the 'new' enterprise from the 'new' movie). If my knowledge serves me right a single embark tile is 48x48 ingame tiles large. (if I go with the logic of 1 tile is 1 meter wide) I'm look at a 16 embark tile length area...

So opinions, do I go with it or is there some changes anyone would care to throw in?

Is a tile considered amongst all of use 1 meter (height probably being 2 meters, but I'd be fine with 1)

Sorry this is all kinds of scattered, hope you understand what I'm getting at.

At the bottom of this page is the length width and height numbers I'm going with...

http://memory-alpha.org/wiki/USS_Enterprise_%28alternate_reality%29

I'm not sure if this is an effect of all the mods from Genesis or my own concoction, but I have a mood dwarf... who wants rock bars.

Any ideas?

I've got metal bars, stone blocks, normal stones, annnd... I think that's all I can think of.

-edit-

I kept trying different things. Eventually he took some metal bar I made...

Annnd the items is...

Rashmostod Dugal Atir, Dieshame the Parity of Dye, a sappanwood wooden blowgun.

This is a sappanwood wooden blowgun, All craftsdwarfship is of the highest quality, It is encircled with bands of sappanwood wood and lapis lazuli, This object menaces with spikes of acacia and adamantine.

Just as it says... I found out just recently in the fort I'm building that homeotherm AND fixed_temp do NOT require regen. I wanted a world where I'd be able to have some way of mining and not have to worry about the aquifer spelling doom to my miners or I could do fancy things to a major river... I have found my solution! Through some rather annoying testing.

I started the game of normal dwarfs and try as I might the normal dwarfs and came upon a particular aquifer that was presenting me problems. I found a solution, thanks for a rather twist of words of someones posts. I got three waves of normal, nonfire dwarfs. Then I started wanting to do the aquifer work, but I kept killing normal dwarfs. So I added the fixed temp and changed the homeotherm and was disappointed that my dwarfs didn't readily become fire gods of death and mayhem. However I decided to wait... I waited 2 seasons before I finally had another wave show up. I was like woooo and then saw there was no fire, but the game was paused... Problem quickly became remedied as fire consumed all foliage bearing hillsides as the fire dwarfs ran into my predesignated location where most flammable materials were safe. I lost a few pets in the process... they burst into flame and there wasn't much I could do.

Anyways, I'm now trying to segregate the dwarfs. Normal vs Fire. Now from my very little work with burrows, I'm doing a lot of guess work...

A burrow more or less acts like a meeting zone of sorts. Dwarfs set to say stay in the fire dwarf burrow would only stay in that particular burrow. You can place a meeting zone within said burrow, but (this is an important question) Without the other dwarfs being burrow set would they go to the burrow meeting zone as well, even if I had another meeting zone outside of the burrow? Would the other dwarfs enter the burrow they aren't supposed to enter by my standards.? (I don't remember how to say dwarfs stay indoors or any of that with the new version. Can dwarfs travel outside of a designated burrow or are they restrained to remain in said burrow?

I know this is more of a general game play series of questions at the moment, but it is very mod oriented (I have a ton of mods running currently.) and this is a life and death situation for all things living potentially.

Side question... Can a dwarf be so hot that it causes lava to steam and evaporate like water?

Any useful input on any section is greatly helpful, if you don't know, but are willing to help me figure it out, I'd appreciate that too. (two are better than one)

I'll probably have some more questions, but mostly it's burrow oriented stuff at the time being, any pertinent information that you could be inclined to include that may be helpful would also be nice.

Which do you prefer and why? I've been playing on scorching maps for that chance of dwarfs dieing of heat exhaustion or "melting" but it seems any scorching area I find isn't hot enough to be worth any deadly events.

I've seen some freezing fortress talk of hard times, mainly water. How deep does the freezing go? What obstacles have you had to over come to live in a freezing climate? Is a magma heated fortress really important?

Here's what I've been using lately. Contains updated Shao20x20 Tileset, some cheats(view spoilers), also includes stone acting as wood cheat, Graphics by Mayday and Beefmo and others.

I've tested and tested to make sure everything works. Works for me, hope it works for you!

If you'd like me to include a non-cheat version of the release let me know!

Here are some pics...
Here are the cheat reactions...
Entity Code
Building Code
Dwarf Insanity Code

The link for the download WITH CHEATS
http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=1985&f=ShaoDF%20WithCheats.rar

The link for the download WITHOUT CHEATS
http://dffd.wimbli.com/download.php?id=1986&f=ShaoDF%20WOCheats.rar

---Extra---

IF YOU RUN INTO PROBLEMS LET ME KNOW PLEASE!

If you need or want any help with anything, I've been doing a lot of experimenting and figuring stuff out. I'd be more than happy to help anyone with any modding the wish to do. You could leave me a message here or if you want to get a hold of me real quick, my yahoo messenger name is Shaostoul@Yahoo.com

--EDIT--
Had to adjust some of the coding...
--EDIT--
Fixed a bunch more coding, added a version without the cheats...