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I'm going to take back what I said about defense being better than attack. I forgot to take into account the fact that you take RIPOTSE yourself if you don't do enough damage. Attack seems to be marginally better due to letting you keep more stamina in shorter fights. Plus chainsaw is less expensive than invisisuit.

Regarding buffs/weaponvsvarmor etc... I think the defense far outclasses attack in usefulness. With a high attack, your enemies can still do full damage to you. While if you far outclass them in defense, you'll not take any damage and still do tons of goatse. It'd be nicer if we knew the formula though because RIPOTSE may be tied to attack. Also, watcher's blessed weapon gives you back health so you can save on healing bills, so that's probably more useful than the armor buff.

Uh apparently we have no robots on the team, should I plan on being a robot? (only 10 levels away :|, 11 technically)

Do you guys still play this game? Accept Density please.

Also, how do you get items from corpses. (meat)

Shotguns are unrifled.

[smug] Yea you're right the rifled shotguns don't exist. [/smug]

Since all shotguns are pellet shot shotguns in the game... This means that all the mechanics are different. A shotgun spreads a large number of pellets over a weak point for massive damage. Works best on giant enemy crabs.

But jokes aside, here's the real difference as far as LCD close quarters battle is concerned.

A shotgun has MASSIVE recoil that's also different from rifles. To aim a shotgun you need to aim slightly differently. Shotguns reload VERY differently. Shotguns need to be cocked if they are not fully automatic. In the time it takes to do a shotgun shot and recock for the next one, you could let off half a mag on any automatic or semi automatic rifle.

A shotgun demonstrates Newton's 3rd law of motion far more vigorously than a rifle. To properly take the recoil of a shotgun you need different techniques than to take the recoil of an assault rifle. Not to mention the enemy himself will be quite staggered when hit even if wearing a bullet proof vest. The force imparted is massive.

Now a rifle, is far easier to shoot. The recoil is far weaker than a shotgun. Even in a full burst. But to aim, you must properly align your ironsights to do an aimed shot or refine your dexterity enough to intuitively aim it straight forward. It's not a really hard skill to gain.



Okay, if you really look at it at the core level, firing a shotgun is much like firing a rifle... It just requires a slightly different way to handle the recoil and actually reload the gun chamber.

Hey, I fired a mosin at a hundred yard target once. Then I fired a rifled slug out of a[n unrifled] shotgun at the same target using the built-in bead sights. I didn't notice any difference at all.

If you manage to fire a pistol without looking like a moron, you'll know how to fire an assault rifle. If you know how to fire an assault rifle you'll know how to fire a battle rifle. If you know how to shoot a battle rifle and you find a shotgun for the first time, you'll know how to fire the shotgun.

Alternatively you could decide to transform anyhow and see how things go

A form that can't use 50 shields at the same time? This horrible disease needs to be eradicated at once!

We need to get toady in here to mediate this important matter!!! We need to know how Urist is pronounced properly!

Urist is the Russian word for lawyer. (from Juris, latin) So next time when your fort fails, instead of blaming the soapmakers, you can blame the lawyers.

 

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