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I still think Pisskop is a poor choice. We can peg him to a night action tonight. Get him to Follow me or UXLZ. See if he gets the same results as Shakerag tomorrow. Someone we know almost nothing about and has yet to post her promised wall of text, like Tiruin would be better.

NQT, I don't want you outright lying to protect Pisskop. Are you in a scum team with Pisskop?

Did you also view as scummy yesterday when I tied the votes with an hour left in the day, DA?

Toaster, if you find him so scummy, consider voting for him rather than urging him to lynch somebody you're not even voting for.

Quote from: Cheeetar on February 04, 2015, 04:19:16 pm

Are you going to be around until the lynch, Persus?

Additional question: You truly believe Pisskop's scumtells are just him being annoying, and not him being scummy? The OMGUSing, complete indecision in voting, uselessness last night, hesitant nullreads on people, dodging questions... just him being annoying, not scum?

I'll be back around 6:30 to 7 PM EST, I have a class that I'm leaving for after I finish this post and then I've got dinner, so I should be around for an hour before day end.

The majority of pisskop's behavior I see as more than anything else, although OMGUS vote on you and his claiming Jim has terrible reads are things I find scummy. Dodging questions is something I hadn't really noticed, although now that you mention it, he has been doing that. Still, I just see that as bad play than scummy. Uselessness last night is something that is also more annoying than anything else. Hesitant null reads is another thing I haven't seen. Voting indecision if it has the right reasons attached is something that actually I can see as a town tell, but I don't actually know if pisskop has those because when I have been looking through the thread I've mainly been focusing on other people. Pisskop has the most posts of this game at like 130 or so, not counting 4maskwolf's, and I don't really want to look through all those when I could look through other people with shorter posts and aren't being focused on for the majority of two days.

"Yes, those things certainly are scummy, but I choose to see them as not scummy because Pisskop is my scum partner. Sorry!"
alternatively: "Yes, those things certainly are scummy, but I choose to see them as not scummy because there's no way a bad scum would make mistakes, only bad town do that. Sorry!"

Are you going to be around until the lynch, Persus?

Additional question: You truly believe Pisskop's scumtells are just him being annoying, and not him being scummy? The OMGUSing, complete indecision in voting, uselessness last night, hesitant nullreads on people, dodging questions... just him being annoying, not scum?

We have a four way tie as it stands currently between pisskop, Scripten, UXLZ, and Tiruin. We gave Tiruin a chance to post, and she has failed to deliver, and I'd rather she be lynched over UXLZ, who currently I see as the most town of the people in the tie and Scripten and pisskop.

Why would you rather see Tiruin lynched than Pisskop? Please include: Reasons.

Cheetar

Quote from: Cheeetar on February 03, 2015, 11:36:46 pm

Actually, here's a problem: What if Pisskop covers for one of his scumbuddies night 2 by saying he followed them and they went nowhere while in actuality they performed the scumkill.

Yep, and when that person that performed the kill flipped scum we'd have the solidest grounds to lynch Pisskop.

Quote from: Cheeetar on February 03, 2015, 11:36:46 pm

Would it be 'confirmable' if Pisskop said somebody did nothing, NQT?

Only if we were reasonably sure that the person really did do nothing/wasn't in league with the Pisskop.

And we'd know these things after the fact because...? What if he followed a scum who actually did do nothing, and that person flipped scum? We literally have no way of knowing later on if Pisskop has been lying to us, NQT. 'Confirmable' is nothing. Keeping Pisskop alive is useless.

ZU: This is piggybacking off of NQT a bit, but I'm going to echo the 'having no suspects other than ZU' part of Persus' post as highly suspect. I also suspect Tiruin- not because of her internet issues, or using it as an excuse to not post. That's perfectly reasonable, and I don't think Tiruin would lie about that regardless of being town or mafia. I don't like how she voted for Scripten, however.
Deus Asmoth is... off. I don't get how quickly he bought into Pisskop. If Pisskop flips town, he's town, but if Pisskop flips scum he's definitely suspect. He could just be a misguided townie, but that would be requiring me to think he's playing more poorly than I'd expect from him. (Although... scum DA protecting Pisskop would be pretty silly of the entire scum team, given that they could be protecting MC and just having Pisskop do nothing/covering for one of their own by saying they stayed at home.)

People I should suspect but don't particularly suspect:
Shakerag- believable claim, not seeing him as particularly suspect apart from lower activity than usual. Not feeling it from his defeatism. Null-ish?
Scripten- not buying the meta argument for him being town, but I'm also not seeing his interaction with MC as scummy. Who the hell would compliment their scum partners scumhunting technique? Null-ish?

Actually, here's a problem: What if Pisskop covers for one of his scumbuddies night 2 by saying he followed them and they went nowhere while in actuality they performed the scumkill. Would it be 'confirmable' if Pisskop said somebody did nothing, NQT?

Problem: Shakerag could be lying.
Problem: Pisskop may not pick a target that's confirmable (this was an issue night 1.)
Problem: UXLZ or NQT could have advanced anti-tech shields.

Also: Tiruin's confidante? I must have missed this earlier in the thread.