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Dependent variables never go on the X axis, in any field, or colloquially.

This is wrong. You should study economics to get some.

The classic price-demand curve is classically printed with price on Y-axis and demand on X-axis. Yes we know it against mathematical custom, but this curves are so much in custom that way around any efforts to change it (there has been one if I recall correctly) failed.

Anyway, then there are curves where both variables are cross dependent anyway like the IS-LM model.

Let me rephrase that so you understand it, just because you have common ground does not mean that communication is going to be successful. Whatever successful means, since you cannot not communicate anyway.

This is a classical philosophical question, where do categories come from and how can two persons ever be sure to mean the same thing with a category. Every definition of a category uses other categories. And the classical example here is colors.

I advice to take some philosophy classes if you are that kind of person that thinks to know everything better. After a few years you *will* discovers you know nada.

for example:

"The meaningfulness and/or efficiency of communication is directly correlated with the degree of standardization and common ground amongst the involved parties."

Define "meaningfulness", what a dizzy concept.

"effiiency?" This very thread is the opposite example of efficiency. 10 pages about a thing that before involved parties had never a problem of misunderstanding with? And in the first pages most clearly stated there is a common understanding what is actually ment, albeit the literal semantics might not be fully correct. Whats the result of this thread, people think all involved parties are donkers? Directly proportional to the amount of posts herein?

A standardization is use of language. Take that. The egg was not before the chicken!

Man, are you guys and gals still debating this?

It is not just games. For example I remember hearing the term "learning curve" used that way also for english as foreign language. "It is shallow in the beginning and steep later on" As in easy to get into since english does not have gendered articles like most other languages but difficult to master as for example the illogical use of prepositions. That would btw. a life filling task for GavJ, spending your time at the airport and everytime somebody says, he or she is getting *on* the plane, to correct them that they most likely actually want to get *in* the plane, since it is going to be kind of windy on it. When there are no guests around, tell the airport, that it is not "boarding" the plane, as since centuries there is no board involved, but people are using a ramp, so its "ramping" the plane.

In fact, I don't even know what the proper term would be. "Shallow learning curve" wouldn't be correct, since you are not learning more when playing Angry Birds, you just need to learn less. "teaching curve" also wouldn't be correct, as DF is quite bad at teaching you what you need to learn - you'll mostly need an external tutorial to come by. "stuff you need to learn to keep enjoying the game" would getting closer, but maybe some dude enjoys watching the dwarves die outside without doing anything?

Language is fuzzy not just because people are idiots, it is also fuzzy because our world is fuzzy.

So the "lowest common denominator" to all this is, sometimes idioms are not semenatically correct but we understand them because they are idioms, and the lowest common denominator is always one.