Bay 12 Games Forum

Pretty sure peasants are able to join you, they are just unlikely to.

anyone can join you. but in my experience people like peasants, cheesemakers and children who dont have military skills will only do it if you find them somewhere they dont want to be, like in an abandoned fortress or out wandering the wilderness. children from goblin forts are fun to rescue, but you cant really stop them following you so recruiting them normally just leads to an eventual messy death.

ok, it seems i have some quite serious problems with the orc mod. whenever i put the orc files in i start getting wizards appearing. they run around invading dark fortresses and snatching and raising kobolt children. im using the latest fresh download from mike mayday's site, so perhaps he has something installed in there that is causing problems. also, the orcs show up as armoured war elephants on the embark screen when you check the civs near dark orc fortresses.

the error log indicates that the game really does not like any of the new body parts like armoured plates or the triceratops horns, and as a result it does not populate the world with those creatures. i did embark (for some reason it defaulted to letting me embark as humans... from a human mountain retreat...) and was able to keep compsognathus as pets, and i found some spinosaurus in the forest i landed in. all my 7 had axes and axe weilder, so i tried to take one of them down. despite all the tags to make them immune to fear and pain, the damned things ran back and forth across the map till i divided the group into two squads and boxed it in. afterwhich my human axemen got thrown all over the place into cliffs and trees. the spinosaur ran off and left the two unconcious wounded without finishing them, one of whom had lost both his arms. seems like the large dinosaur predators need to be made more aggressive, they really try to avoid fighting at the moment.

here are the new dinosaurs i added in, along with all the originals as i changed some of them a bit. remember i did this in a hurry and i am not that experienced, so do point out any errors ive made.

tyranosaur.

dark tyranosaurus, for the orcs to ride on. only appears in evil areas, only the creature name is different, as the game will take out any creatures with a duplicate name in world gen. did not use or test this, as i did not get the orcs working.

stegosaurus. despite adding the bony plates to the right file, the error log complains about not knowing what they are. they get used in worldgen, when i tried to use orcs i found a wizard in legands who was killing and eating them, but embarking on places where they should be causes a crash.

Amphicoelias. i added a long neck to it, which despite adding to the creature body parts file the game could not find either.

triceratops. added a bony neck frill and made them a traineable mount. the game did not like the bony neck frill or their 2horns, according to the error log. also, the horn/tusk attack is done a bit differently for unicorns, elephants and warthogs, so it may need changing.

duck billed dinosaurs, aka hardrosaurs. im pretty sure i left these guys alone.

pterodactyl. never saw these in game, or in the error log. no changes from orignal.

plesiosaur got a long neck, again the game did not like this.

Dicynodont. unchanged from original.

Compsognathus. these little guys were available at embark. i think i gave them new prefstrings.


velociraptor. dont think i changed this one either.

dire raptor. i added [CURIOUSBEAST_EATER] so it would have a reason to approach your fort and mess with your stuff, along with more prefstring tags.

ankylosaurus. the game really did not like its plates or tail. the error log even complains that it does not recognize bludgeon as a damage type, which may be due to the damage values. i havent changed this one at all, but i dont think those damage values are right, i cant find any other creatures with anything similar. and like i said, even a dragons bite attack is just 1:6, same as a much smaller animal.

spinosaurus. hopefully less common then a t rex but ment to be far far worse. stupid size, and very quick. like i said earleir, i found these in fort mode, and had to chase them everywhere to get into a fight. after which my poor little humans got creamed. seeing as they run instead of fighting i feel they need some work. dont know why [NOFEAR] does not prevent that. perhaps [NOEMOTION] as well?

oviraptor. egg thief. slightly smaller and less mean then your velociraptor, and without the toe claw. but it steals your items and food. i did not see this in game, but there were no errors about it at least.

baryonix. hopefully a cowardly version of the spinosaur that just wants to hang out near lakes and rivers and fish. prefers to attack with its large specialized fishing claws then its long narrow jaws. no errors from worldgen with this one, thankfully.

dimetrodon. these did not live during the time of the dinosaurs, but they still look wicked and are well known. look like a huge lizard with a ginormous frill along their spine, like the spinosaur. ment to hang out near pools in swampy places. the game did not like their frill body part.

ceratosaurus. smaller version of the tyranosaur, that lives in mountains. i did not add custom body parts for the horns on their head, so did not have any aparent issues with them in game.

protoceratops. like a large dog sized triceratops without horns. again, one of my favourite dinosaurs, lots of fossils for these exist. they have a massively strong beaklike mouth, and their fossils found near gold deposits in the middle east are thought to be what gave rise to myths about griffins. a real life fossilized body of a protoceratops was found in the middle of fighting a velociraptor. the protoceratops is chomping on the raptors arm, and the raptor is on its side with its toe claw stuck in the protoceratops neck. also, an oviraptor fossil skeleton with a smashed skull has been found next to a protoceratops nest, aparently killed by an angry parent.

in game they live in mountains and can be tamed and brought as pets from embark. the game did not like the neck frills i gave them.

Pachycephalosaur. these are the guys with bony solid skulls that are often portrayed clashing heads. same size as a person and appear in mountain biomes. gave them a bony domed skull that they would attack with, the game did not like it.

nothosaurus. i didnt alter this one.

kronosaurus. retardedly huge. i took the liberty of making them amphibious, which is extremely unlikely to have been true. beaches should be very dangerous with these in the water.

giant alligator snapping turtle. not a dinosaur at all, though they aparently were around back then, and they sure as hell look like one. the game does not like the spiked shell i gave them. these are much larger then real life and should hopefully come charging out of rivers to tear your dwarves to bits. real life ones are absurdly aggressive and aparently have the second strongest bite strenght of any living thing.

mastadon. very large furry elephant for taiga, tundra and glaciers. i know that these are from far later then the dinosaurs, but i wanted something large to roam the cold bits of the world.

wooly rhino. size 12, with the same horn attack as a unicorn gets, and perpetually angry. again, for glaciers and the like.

and there you have it. hopefully you more knowledgeable and observant types can find any errors ive made, while i go read the orcs thread to find out why when i put in orcs they come with wizards, and find out how to add custom body parts without making the game stuff up.

EDIT: made all the spoiler tags work right. its still a huge post.

or evil mental influences. you get a migrant who is socially withdrawn and generally unlikeable on an evil map, attributes allowing some malign influence to jump into his head. soon dwarves start having nightmares, feel the urge to do random evil destructive things, have fights and form grudges. happiness goes down, and dwarves start to emo themselves to death. they also do odd jobs you did not ask them to, like construct random items and outdoor constructions honouring this elder thing that is influencing them.

teach you not to check on your dwarves state of mind occasionally. tracking down and rectifying the offending dwarf would be interesting. cues like finding horribly unpleasant engravings in random places with text like "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh C'thulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn" along with random bloodstains and missing children would be a nice hint that you need to start a witch hunt.

perhaps when dwarves social interactions get fleshed out more and stuff like souls goes in it may be possible for this sort of thing to be modded in. the possibilities are fantastic.

the queen is pleased, and as a result her loving subjects are happy. that is a nice idea.

clown cars of course.

i heartily endorse this thread.

what about seaside maps? everyone has heard of zombie whales, but players who have actually experienced them are few  and far between. how about having it so embarking on a coast or large lake garuntees an influx of amphibious aquatic horrors? there is already the sea monster creature, which i have yet to meet, but large horrible unique swimming things would be nice.

also, ive heard something about aquatic civs and the problems in making them, and i know that creatures cant carry weapons without the civ tags. would it be possible to give merpeople crossbows or something to have the wicked little bastards snipe at your fishermen from the water?

i hope you retired your unfortunate limbless adventurer in that town, where the townspeople can keep him (or her?) in food and clothing and put up with his or her long rambling tales at the pub every friday night out of gratitude for ridding their town of the deadly carp.

also, does the river have a bridge or something, or do they just swim across it when they want to reach the other side of the town?

this reminds me of someone posting about how they found a town with a hippo filled river, on some plains populated by elephants. the elephants and the hippos were at a constant random war with each other and every living thing around them, making the town an awesome constant bloodbath.

alternative is yknow, to do human fortresses and leave human equipment lying around. you can do a fully blown dwarf fort, then reclaim as humans, use dwarf companion to give yourself a small number of legendary craftsmen, and churn out a small amount of human sized equipment before you pull out the safety pins for whatever deadly machines of doom you built as the dwarves, then abandon again ready for roaming adventurers.

i like the pool idea. i guess its whoever is dedicated enough to be monitering this thread when whoever finishes their turn posts the files gets to go next.

also, in answer to zais, i only explored the first 3 or so forts, and i havent had a look at the world thats being put together here for ages. but there werent any big atmospheric forts when i went roaming. also, there are no dwarf civs to start dwarf adventurors from. so you cant use the armor and clothing people have been leaving around.