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I would, but that encourages stagnation. I'd like to see the debate be a lot more... honest, though. As in, actually trying to understand your opponent's point of view, rather than just destroy it.

I come back to one of the things the book that converted me said- it had a chapter talking about the course of a person's spiritual development, through four stages. Stage 1 is Criminal- you follow no rules, have no spiritual awareness, and think only of yourself. Stage 2 is rules-based- you start to follow the rules of the society you belong to, and believe that doing so makes you good (or godly, as the case may be). Stage 2 people may do a lot of good in the world, or a lot of bad, depending on which "rules" they most follow. Stage 3 is Explorative where people begin to most think for themselves, and question/abandon the rules they followed in stage 2- in our society, most atheists would be stage 3. Stage 4 is Mystic, where people start to find answers to some of the more difficult questions from stage 3, and understand the reasons behind the rules of stage 2; one of the big points of stage 4 (at least in my view) is a subjective rather than objective understanding of truth. For me, stage 4 means theism, but that's the product of the path I walked through life- I could certainly recognize a sufficiently sophisticated atheist as stage 4, and not doubt the legitimacy of his own path.

The problem with religious debates is that stage 2 people think all stage 3ers are in stage 1, and stage 3 people think stage 4 is the same as stage 2. And, beyond that, everyone is trying to force objective understanding on the people that disagree with them, which fails miserably. You get arguments of the form "This is why you're wrong so stop being silly and come be like me" not "Here's an idea you might find interesting, see where it leads you."

You don't support this statement with either fact or argument, you just "say it is so". I also find it rather odd that you make a statement about how people in the other "stages" you mentioned all seem to have an incorrect view of things, while you still place yourself on top of everything.

Quote from: Dwarf mc dwarf on July 16, 2010, 02:21:21 pm

Doom 3,I was expecting to have an awesome all new doom 2 with a new engine and stuff in it and I get a poorly slapped together piece of shit.It sucks more than elfs.

blasphemy, that game was the greatest gift from my uncle for a 10 year old, i had nightmares for weeks and love playing the game during the dark and with surround sound.

i think the worst game i've ever played was Tonic Trouble, worst Rayman knockoff on the n64 EVER.

what? that game was great, despite beeing a knockoff. It wasn't really taking itself serious anyway.

battlefield 1942 theme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gylo7Ak6z3Y

probably settlers 5, it is really bad, it stripped everything that made the first settlers awesome and tried to turn it into some generic rts.

galactic civilizations 2 was rather bad, not really bad perhaps but just EXTREMELY bland. Nothing in the game stood out, and everything has been done better many times, the combat was bland, the research was bland and the economy was bland.

Dragon Age is also terrible, boring combat which forces you to pause every 3 seconds giving the same orders you gave a million times already. Stupid map design forcing you to walk for miles with nothing interesting on the way, horrible camera and map. speaking with npc's also takes ages, because the text after skipping only appears after 8 seconds. bland characters and story and a surprising lack of anything awesome.

Is it my grammar or my maths that is incorrect?

I am pretty sure my maths is in fact correct

Now THIS is a good worms clone:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KlyCL0vWAw0

Quote from: ChairmanPoo on June 25, 2010, 04:23:12 pm

Unsubtle cheating (RA2's AI comes to mind)

How did RA2's AI cheat? All I remember is it generally being retarded.

all it did was spawn the same scripted hordes of units and send them to your base

they also saw into the fog of war, it even saw units hidden by the gap generator

Money issues seem to be a quester thing.
Quests an minigames have shit pay.
Only reason I had plenty was because a gold-farm bot got killed by a random event and dropped 20m.

long live flawed programming!