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Several third options were given.

To fill out the 8 1/2 by 11 ballot paper, sure.  You can ask for the tofu on the menu but today the chef is only cooking chicken and beef.

Johnson got his one moment to screw up on TV and that was about it for him, not that he had much chance anyway.  Where was he at the debates?  Oh right.  Third parties aren't invited.

You said that given the choice, most Americans would have chosen a third option. They had the choice.

I do not consider this to be true with the way the US election system is set up.

The system has a huge spoiler effect, where you are hurting the major candidate you agree with the most if you are voting third party.

A sane Democratic system like France almost completely solves this by having a 2 round election.

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Then actually say that instead of saying that the "polls were wrong", as you have been.
As much as I would like to say that, if that would mean I got to discuss my argument, the polls were wrong.

No.

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You can shoot 3 people of whom 2 are police officers and get only 15 years in jail?

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Other Games / Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« on: April 21, 2017, 03:43:05 am »
One of my better attempts since the tournament, Don't un-equip your vampire battleaxe is the lesson here.

I got banished to the abyss in Vaults 5 and decided to take the layup rune (I know people hate the abyss but besides the tedium of manual navigation it's by far the easiest rune in the game), thought that the Holy would be marginally better.  Of course, then I tried to fight through the dire elephant island to get that rune while forgetting to re-equip my Vamp axe.  Cue why I haz no HP and I end up ninja'ing it (Evocable invisible is tits).  Since I had an open portal back out nearby I run for that and back into the Vault: 5 fracas.  I hack 3-4 times with my axe expecting the Vamp to put me back in business HP-wise, only to get dropped to 1 HP.  Surprisingly a fear scroll buys me enough time to move then blink away, only to face first into an iron shot from an elf.

In short, Boo.  MiBe with fully enchanted Vampiric Battleaxe is so powerful it can only come down to user error.



How difficult abyss is really depends on if you are a melee dude or a spellcaster. I have had even high lvl spellcasters that had difficulty in the abyss because it is just so hard to keep your mana up over time.

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The Afghan government has made it known that the MOAB killed 36 IS fighters, and was carried out with their knowledge and consent. No civilians are reported to be killed.

M.M.M.Monsterkill

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Well, it was easier(or at least cheaper) to level a city with bombs and phosphorous, than with a nuke, in ww2...

Only because you can write off the entire cost of the Manhattan project on only 3 bombs in WW2. Nukes themselves are really cheap.

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I'd take the idea of intervention in Syria a lot more serious if anyone seemed to have a plan on what to do after Assad had been taken down. None of the people saying we must do something have actually mentioned what happens next.

Given our past history, probably another decade of instability and terrorism.

This. The problem isn't as simple as "remove Assad and all will be fine".

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The problem is that bombing Assad means supporting Al qaida and IS

So yes I am against this strike and I don't have any leads for a better solution than what is already done. Keep Supporting the SDF and Iraqi government in their fight against IS and once IS is destroyed re-evaluate the situation.

Also remember that bombing Assad WILL bring the US into conflict with Russia. Russia is VERY much against attacking Assad and has been for the last four years, which is one of the reasons the entire "the US did nothing" story is just a malicious simplification of the situation.

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In case it was already forgotten the US brought forth a vote for a no fly zone in Syria and Russia and China were very much against.

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The Guardian has sent a reporter to the site of the attack. Unsurprisingly the Russian story is complete and utter bullshit, while the 'Western' one apparently is spot-on.

Sounds interesting. Got a link?
Here you go. It's all information gathered by one of their reporters on site. If this isn't proof, 2 + 2 = Being photographed by Caesar.

So what exactly does this proof?

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Not for an arbitrarily high standard of proof, which is what folks bemoaning the absence of proof to cover their reluctance to actually do anything usually demand.

I would on the other hand this attitude is what caused the US to invade Iraq for non-existent weapons of mass destruction and escalated the Vietnam war for a Gulf of Tonkin accident that never happened.

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Anyone getting deja vu? I could've sworn this was 2013. Quick, tell me, when I say "Mitt Romney", do you think "evil and/or manipulative businessman who will not represent the common man", or "really not such a bad guy, all things considered"?

The United States set a red line and it got crossed. Takes a few years, but you can certainly trust the United States to follow through on promises. Once we've tried everything else.

We don't even know if a red line got crossed. We don't even know what happened to release the poison gas.
I'm sure we'll find out after politely asking whoever the Syrian government is to let us have access to whatever archives they might have and to the site of the incident in a decade or so when the war finally ends. I mean that worked well in so many other places, so we can hopefully look forward to a successful implementation of the "Ignore it until it goes away, mild self-admonishment later that 'maybe we could have done better'" policy that has served the US and others so well in Africa and elsewhere.

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Until we know what actually happened military intervention over the issue is just insane.
Agreed. Military intervention on other grounds, of course, has been justified by quite literally everyone involved in the middle east except for the US, and it doesn't appear to have stopped them. But. of course, the addition of 50 Tomahawk missiles into the complex, multi-sided five-year conflict that has claimed the lives of what is now approaching 500,000 deaths is an unprecedented escalation that should be held to a higher standard than those interventions.

But after that The US, Russia and Syria agreed that Syria would destroy it's chemical weapons, which they actually did.
Which is why those chemical weapons were never heard from again.

Who knew geopolitics could be so simple and easy?

The site of the chemical attack is in rebel hands, so inspectors don't need permission of Assad for anything. Inspecting the site can gather crucial information about among other things the delivery method of the gas.

I am not sure this intervention will stop at just 50 tomahawk missiles. Trump is impulsive enough to escalate this further.


Chemical weapons in rebel held areas obviously remained after the Syrian regime destroyed their stockpiles. Were any previous chemical attacks attributed to Assad after that actually proven?

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Didn't the Pentagon release their evidence publicly? I'm sure I saw that somewhere. Unless that was talking about the chemical attack, as opposed to the missile strike?

Also what's genuinely interesting about this is it's one of the few times I'm seeing people on both 'sides' have completely divergent reactions. Some Trump fans are horrified at the strike, saying 'I'm off the Trump Train'. Others are calling it 15-D chess and so forth. And the same on the other side - plenty of 'impulsive idiot Trump' comments, but I've also seen plenty of comments from Obama and Hillary supporters lauding Trump for responding after the horrific images shown of the gas attack.

For my part, I'm withholding judgment for now (though I'm certainly opposed to being drawn further into yet another Middle-Eastern conflict that will likely only end up passing more power to the Islamists). There's too much we don't know. As a show of force, the strike could work surprisingly well, given the overall lack of casualties combined with the 'unexpected' nature. It'll certainly keep potential enemies on their toes. But it could also lead to an unwanted confrontation with Russia, and it could reveal weakness on Trump's part; a potential ability to be led or manipulated.

The coming weeks are going to be interesting.

I can't find any release of evidence.

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Remember the part where I said Trump was an impulsive idiot?


Nobody even has a clue what happened at the site of the gas attack and the missiles are already flying.

Well, he didn't go public with the evidence, but there might be some. Boris Johnson was also on record as saying the evidence he saw indicated it was Assad, even if he refused to say what the evidence was.

Just like we just had to trust them that they had proof of WMD's in Iraq in 2003?

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The United States set a red line and it got crossed. Takes a few years, but you can certainly trust the United States to follow through on promises. Once we've tried everything else.

We don't even know if a red line got crossed. We don't even know what happened to release the poison gas.

Until we know what actually happened military intervention over the issue is just insane.

I think Strife is referencing the original gas attacks and the Obama's red line.

But after that The US, Russia and Syria agreed that Syria would destroy it's chemical weapons, which they actually did.

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