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I sense a new challenge fort idea: 50 consorts!  Gotta please them all!

Since I'm intending on creating a huge (600+ per dwarf per skill) number of objects *anyways*, I think the record keeper will always have something to do.

Dissection can only happen on vermin, correct? 

Um.  Build from the inside out.

Build a few mason shops, and set their Profile from dabbling to proficient or similar, and then set them to autorepeat rock blocks.  Setup stone stockpiles near them with the stone type(s) you want.  Designate rock block stockpiles around where you'll be building the wall to minimize travel time.  Best to do this now, before you start building. 

(Why blocks?  Two reasons:

1) Blocks are twice as valuable as stone.
2) Blocks can be stored in bins, so your stockpiles can hold more.

Training masonry is a nice side effect.)

Did you get steel bars worth 90k dwarfbucks? Or, did you buy everything you could get that was made of steel and subsequently melted it?

The latter.  That is, including things like buying the 10,000 dwarfbucks steel plate mail.

Even with requesting only metal bars from the liaison, even when the humans brought nothing *but* metal bars, I've never seen more than 3,000 dwarfbucks or so in a caravan.  Weight-to-price ratio is just too high.

So, I have decided that my next experiment is going to be to replicate Morul, The Most Interesting Dwarf In The World.  But of course, simply doing what's been done before is boring.  So I'm going to build a sort of Tower of Learning, that could, in theory, crank out Moruls.

This'll require a lot of resources.  A *lot* lot of resources.  So I want to take care of logistic problems before this even starts.  So what do I need, in terms of resources, to train for skills?

Stone (for Mining, Masonry, Mechanics, Engraving, Stone Crafter, Siege Operator): Obsidian farm provides unlimited stone.

Plants (Cook, Brewer, Dyer, Grower, Herbalist, Miller, Thresher, Herbalist, Weaver, Clothier): Farms, done.  Herbalist is sort of the exception, but simply seems more annoying than anything else -- embark in a non-tundra environment, and gathering should be slow but essentially infinite.

Wood (for Carpentry, Bowyer, Wood Cutter, Siege Engineer, Wood Crafter, Wood Burner, Lye Maker, Potash Maker): Traders, tower cap farms, and/or embarking in a heavily forested area should make this annoying, but doable, much like Herbalist.

Glass (for Glassmaker): Glass is unlimited.

Gems (Gem Cutter, Gem Setter): Glass provides unlimited gems.

So those are the easy ones.  Now the come the hard ones that I'm less sure of.

Adamantine (Strand Extractor): The most obvious limit -- HFS simply isn't going to provide for enough adamantine to get two dwarves to legendary strand extractor.

Metal (Armorsmith, Furnace Operator, Metal Crafter, Metalsmith, Weaponsmith): Next to adamantine, shouldn't be a problem.  Goblins in theory provide an infinite amount of ore, but it seems that after awhile, they stop attacking? 

Fish (Fisherdwarf, Fish Cleaner, Fish Dissector): In theory, fish should be infinite, right?  But I've read repeatedly about forts that have been fished to extinction.  Is there a known way of avoiding it?  A known way of repopulating the fish?  As for Fish Dissector, am I correct that the only fish that can be dissected is the moghopper?  Any way of guaranteeing there are moghoppers in the embark?

Tame Animals (Butcher, Tanner, Leatherworker, Animal Caretaker, Soaper): Should be infinite.

Wild Animals (Ambusher, Animal Trainer, Trapper, Animal Dissector, Milking): Same question as fish, really: since it seems possible to have forts hunt animals to extinction, how to avoid this, or how to correct it after the fact?

Milk (Cheesemaker): Assuming I can get legendary Milkers, getting legendary Cheesemakers seems to go along with that.  Can also be supplemented by the traders.

So the big limitations seem to me to be:

1) Adamantine.
2) Moghoppers.  Need to embark on a savage(?) area with ponds?
3) Purring maggots.  Need to embark on a chasm.
4) Wild, butcherable animals.  So no evil undead areas.
5) Outdoor plants/trees.  So no freezing/scorching areas.

Right now, what I'm thinking is this:

Use the orc mod.  AFAIK, the orcs *never* stop attacking, unlike the goblins.  Is this true? 

Mod the orcs to use adamantine instead of iron. 

That only leaves the vermin skills -- Trapper, Animal Dissector, Fish Dissector, and Milker.  Thoughts?

Military challenge: Use the orc mod (or use the Dig Deeper! mod, which includes the orc mod).  Use the raptor mod.  Use the Civilization Forge mod which puts you at war with all civilizations, all the time.  Hell, use all of 'em.

HIJACK!

I've got nine champion dwarves for my military.  I'm in the process of training them through all the weapons, for no good reason.

Seven of them spar fine.  Two do not.

One was totally noninjured.  Turns out, she was holding some leather armor in the same hand as her weapon, kept her from using it.  Ok, dumped, that's fixed.

The other is missing his right eye, but has no other injuries.  Does a missing eye keep you from sparring?  He's not holding extra equipment in his hands, so I imagine that that must be it...