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I think that's a "Elven attack? That's a contradiction in terms!" face.

Yeah pretty much. It is him going "Really? Elves? Attacking?"

Probably the simplest way (from Toady's view) to introduce these sort of late-stage challenges would be a combination of lowering immigration rates, making a legendary dwarf harder to get (and so more valuable) and some (possibly initially contrived) siege system. I'm talking something along the lines of this:

Anything using (non artifact) mechanisms rusts and then eventually fails (with some randomisation thrown in).
The more of a certain civ that a trap has killed, the more likely they are to dodge it next time.

Those 2 simple things would mean that traps and bridges etc would need to be replaced fairly regularly, meaning the (now more valuable dwarves) would be vulnerable more often (might lead to interesting ideas such as having a few soldiers guard them etc). This would mean that there are some disadvantages to having huge numbers of traps and ingenious defences and more advantages to the more risky, 'fun' approach of soldiers as defence.

Basically, to create a game that is eternally a challenge, have a system that is more complex than what people can think about and then throw in randomisation, so that no one solution ever works forever.

So one of my images is an image of planepacked... presumably at this stage the dwarf would know the shape of the statue... so what is it? Is it a pillar? Or should I just do my own random crazy idea of what is planepacked?

Oh, and also if you are interested in numbers, I have done 4/10 of the images.

Not bad. One cell down, many to go.

Still no word from Taisuru. So congrats! Right now you have full credit for that cell.

Would you like me to do another cell? (I probably won't be able to do it immediately).

Ok, well here you go...


So do you like the drawings?

I agree with you (Anu), good sir! However, I am unsure as to how you could make the initial set up different each time (or at least requiring some sort of decision to be made). Perhaps seeds could only be planted in certain types of soil, meaning that the location of you farm plots (and so your fortress) has to be carefully dictated. And then perhaps certain types of soil is extremely dangerous to dig through (due to collapses) and thus must be navigated carefully.

Right, well I've been working on my rendering of 2-11, but I got stuck on one... what the hell is a grimeling? I was gonna depict it as a ball of sludge with eyes...