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I play a lot of support and one of the few I don't touch is Sona. The complaints of my wallet are now the main thing stopping that from changing.

...Eww. I can't imagine in any capacity it's better than Bork or triforce. I just can't.

Ok sure, that sort of is my argument. Some stuff IS a bit too powerful (Rek'sai definitely last patch, Azir probably is at the moment) but it's more of a numbers thing, rather than being completely whack (as in old Kass which was just the easiest thing to come to mind). Now like I said, that's all my own opinion, and I went about explaining that because I know others here will disagree on that or on how overpowered some things are, and I wanted to give some background to where I was construing my argument from.

It intersects with "dodging point-and-click abilities on an 8-second CD is bullshit." because it sort of points out I DON'T think it's that bullshit. Part of the game and how it's balanced is everyone has some measure of 'bullshit' but they have weaknesses and ways to counterplay that balance it out, which incidentally is also why in the last few months we saw Leblanc and Talon lose silences as part of their kits, because it wasn't possible to play around them killing you within a silence so you can't respond in any way, and why assassins are seeing their damage potential hooked more into hitting certain skills (Ahri charm, the potential changes to Fizz now with his ult). If it was bullshit then you either wouldn't be able to play around it full stop, or it would be difficult to the point of it being practically not an option. I just don't see Fizz being in that category as a whole (that does NOT mean I necessarily think he's 100% balanced btw), same with a lot of things you hear a lot of people complaining about (for instance as a top laner I have not much problem playing against Gnar, it just requires you know the strengths and weaknesses of his forms).

Edit: Actually let me amend something, competitively I think there's a decent chance Azir as-is will hit Kassadin levels of rediculous once players and teams start gettting really good at playing with him, the sheer potential of that champ is pretty nuts.

That's a decent recap of my statements, but I want to elaborate a bit since I think some points I made were missed:
Mobility skill A (shunpo) can negate skill C (skillshots).
Mobility skill B (Fizz E) can negate skills C and D (point-and-clicks).
Rather than get all knotted up about B blocking more, you should be treating using D against Fizz as you should when using C against Kat. SOMETHING is going to be the best defensive ability in the given situation. To illustrate I'll bring up something again I think got missed in my last post.

In addition, there's skill C (Yasuo wind wall) that can negate C and D (and E (AoEs) actually) thrown at anyone, but requires them to be projectiles. In a lot of situations, that is functionally the same as B, or better because it protects the whole team.

My overall point is that rather than tunneling only on the fact on what the ability can do, it's more useful to focus on how to work around the opponent having that ability. You aren't going to Ez ult a Kat and not expect the prospect of her shunpoing, you also won't throw a big cooldown projectile ult at Yasuo unless you know wind wall is down, you won't Zed ult someone with Zhonya's, why are you going to Veigar ult a Fizz with E up? (Or, you aren't going to feel safe under your tower against a Leblanc either, so just back off and recall.)

The actual champions I've used as examples can be interchanged pretty freely with the overall point being the same. There's a lot of defensive or evasive abilities in the game.

Of course I should note I'm of the opinion that there isn't really anything that's super OP in the game. That isn't saying there isn't stuff that needs to be nerfed (I'd bet money Azir will get nerfed sometime soon as people really start mastering him), but there isn't anything in the pick this and you just win category, as old Kassadin was. Just in solo queue you can't be certain of everyone actually knowing how to properly play against a champ, so fuck Akali I perma-ban her.

Hey I'm generally at the same level, and it's only about now I'm starting to see other people who actually know what the hell they're doing (my comments about low elo games are from shaking rust off which have to be blind pick games). And honestly, anything leaving lane with that kind of score is going to dominate a game (had a few games ago where a Jinx did it and just crushed the game, I can do it pretty regularly on Irelia), unless it's like a Janna. It's just the fed assassin delivers the damage quicker, and anything that fed is going to kill anyone unless it's an equally fed tank (from experience I can definitely say being a tank does not help if you're one or two items behind their damage dealers, you just die a bit slower than everyone else).

Personally I don't see Fizz E as that big a problem. It's annoying, but every assassin has some form of mobility or slipperiness due to the squishy factor. Zed/Leblanc has shadows/distortions, Ahri has 3 dashes, Kat has shunpo, Kha'zix has jumps, ect. Fizz actually has less mobility than a lot of other assassins funnily enough, it's just his can disjoint attacks. Being able to break tower aggro is annoying sure but like you said he's not the only one who can (Elise has practically the same mechanic as Fizz). Just don't stick under the tower if you're in Fizz kill range, but that's more general advice since heaps of stuff is good at diving. Top lane example of Renekton, if you're low he's just going to dive you with 2 dashes and the hp from ult and you're going to die.

Ok, I say Bork as the finished item, but cutlass during lane is generally going to be a thing and that's where the lifesteal comes from.

We kept losing game modes due to lack of players, for a while it was only ARAM, blind picks and ranked. We have team builder permanently at the moment but I don't expect that to live for too much longer, it was removed for a while and now it's basically dead again.

Yeah like I said you gotta be careful what you pick odd stuff into (and picking them blind isn't a great idea), Renekton has the gap closers to demolish anything squishy.

A lot of the lore is being re-worked at the moment, I think Riot's plan is to relocate a lot of it into short stories and stuff on the main website due to limitations of the game client. Rek'sai and Azir had a lot of lore actually but that was delivered through mini-sites instead of the client.

Yeah echoing the sentiment that you just have to be blunt with the guy, if it's negatively affecting your relationship with him you need to tell him that and that you don't want to deal with it anymore. It may seem mean but if you're sincere that'll come through and hopefully work out, and maybe, just maybe it may give him the kick in the arse to start realising some of it himself.

In the context of these riots that sprung up, does it honestly even matter whether or not the guy is guilty or innocent? It seems like lots of people were set on the fact that he's guilty from the start of this whole thing months ago, and any verdict that didn't end up in him being jailed was going to cause a riot regardless of the (legal or otherwise) truth.

I'll freely admit I'm not american or following this rather closely (I know the general details, but not the fine ones), but in the case the cop is innocent it appears like a horrible lose-lose situation of imprison him unjustly or cause riots.