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Dwarves and items get shuffled around in cave ins. There's a good chance the dwarf will get captured by the cage trap even if he pulls the lever himself.

Yes, I've just been trying to cage a dwarf deliberately, and when you're actively trying to do it it suddenly becomes difficult. First attempt, the dwarf flew up a z-level (since I built it outside), completely ignoring the trap room and getting slightly injured to boot.

But still, setting up the support and lever is enough of an annoyance that it's worth avoiding the chance of the dwarf falling on it.

Well, not all, just some. The important thing seems to be that they have some sort of choice in the matter. Forcing the wagon to enter on a sealed route isn't always successful, but cutting off their options in other ways is more successful ("you must come this way" vs. "you can't go that way... or that way... or that way").

Although actually, I might have a way to test it, since I know I can't force wagon access on this map with a sealed entry. I'll try the following:

1. Default. There's a pillar barrier around the map, forcing the wagons to pass through a single 3-tile gap between them. Additionally, the only z-level from which wagons can access this gap is the level it's on. The wagons can manage this just fine.

2. Force wagons to enter along the road by building raising bridges along the sides of the road. (Edited to add... this works. *sigh*)

3. If the above fails, widen the spawn path to include an alternate spawn point.

But really, I have no idea why wagon access is so screwy. 

What? That one's nowhere near the tannery (I can see the thread symbol; that one looks fine). I mean the dwarf that's four squares down and one square left from the woodcutter, holding the brown thing.

I meant the one by the tanner's shop.

Quote from: Sutremaine on June 30, 2009, 03:21:49 pm

Features always stay in their own 48x48 tile, as do large clusters and veins.

So there'd be a sortof invisible wall?  Wow, even better 

Invisible and intangible. And I've just remembered that veins can cross region tiles, although it's uncommon for them to do that.

Really it just makes for an easy way of finding the big round things. The veins and the cave river and chasm are too narrow to be found by drilling a hole straight down the middle of a region tile, but there is another method for finding the last two. If a cave river occupies more than 1 48x48 tile, it will always be entirely inside those tiles. So to find it, all you have to do is look for the border between two of the tiles it occupies, and do your exploratory mining there. Same for a chasm, except you can find it with the first tunnel.

It's definitely the mass designation. After I cut down on that I was hovering at about 100fps while looking at a part of the fortress with no movement (that was after the three wood jobs got cancelled, so there was very little else going on). Then I redesignated the huge chunk that was left, and the framerate dropped to about 20.

(You do know about those dwarves behind the floodgates on level 146? They've been there for a while...)

The modded raws are as follows.

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

[CREATURE:BAT_GIANT]
   [NAME:giant bat:giant bats:giant bat]
   [TILE:'B'][COLOR:0:0:1]
   [MODVALUE:5]
   [LARGE_ROAMING][DIFFICULTY:2]
   [BENIGN]
   [GENPOWER:3][NATURAL][PET_EXOTIC][MOUNT_EXOTIC]
   [PETVALUE:750]
   [PREFSTRING:terrifying features]
   [BODY:HUMANOID:2EYES:2EARS:NOSE:GUTS:ORGANs:MOUTH]
   [SIZE:10]
   [MAXAGE:10:20]
   [ATTACK:MAIN:BYTYPE:MOUTH:bite:bites:1:6:GORE][ATTACKFLAG_CANLATCH]
   [CHILD:1][CHILDNAME:giant bat pup:giant bat pups]
   [FAT:3]
   [ALL_ACTIVE]
   [POPULATION_NUMBER:10:20]
   [BIOME:SUBTERRANEAN_CHASM]
   [STANDARD_FLESH]
   [HOMEOTHERM:10067]
   [LAYERING:100]
   [SWIMS_INNATE][SWIM_SPEED:2500]

How much of its body have you been removing? When I was trying to get cats to spontaneously die, I eventually managed to kill them by removing QUADRUPED from their body raw, leaving them without any visible body parts except their tails. So try reverting to the original raws and then taking out HUMANOID, if you haven't done so already.

Creatures that don't have any breathing parts but still have to breathe don't appear to be bothered too much by the lack of organs. It seems that the only effect is to stop organ injuries from causing suffocation, though they can still drown.

If they lose them to wounds they can suffocate or whatever, but if they never had them in the first place they breathe normally (still drown underwater, stuff like that) but they don't have an organ weakness that controls it.

Right, thanks. That seems a little counterintuitive due to the existence of [NOBREATHE] and other tags, but I suppose it allows for more flexibility.