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you just have to make sure that there is some stone and bone somewhere around your fortress(and it's not marked as {F}orbidden). He'll get them himself.

Are you sure you have the options menu set to allow dwarves to go outside?

he said his woodburners go outside, no probs.

I must admit I find this quite an amusing piece of irony.

erm, I must admit that I've missed it.

Really. you think the Spanish Inquisition was legitimate?  Because I said only about a million times that I wasn't saying legitimate to the 15th century spaniards perspective but to our perspective.  I certainly don't think it was legitimate, so I guess you are saying you do.

I'm not using 15th cent. Spaniard's perspective.
Let me repeat myself:
"so (legitimate) was the theory behind imprisonment of heretics. These people weren't just believing in their own religion, they were trying to undermine the ruling power's(church) authority=cause destabilisation, disrupt peace."
So there you go. From any perspective, dealing with disruptive/dangerous elements is a legit thing to do for any country.
and:
"It's the overzealous/politically charged follow up that makes it illegitimate"
by this I mean the fact that it was enough to call somebody a 'heretic' to ignore the letter of law and detain/torture that person.
How is this untrue? With what part do you disagree?

I seriously think that your opinion is biased just like Samyotix wrote in his post.

There's basic mechanisms useful in deciding what to think of an idea, asuch as Occam's Razor, which too many people are utterly unaware of.
Humans are a lazy, weak, cowardly bunch, generally: Instead of using our brain to sort out who we should believe, instead of examining each piece of communication and looking for the author's motivation, instead of thinking logically and methodically, we tend to believe things simply because it feels good, because there is a consensus among people close to us, or simply because everyone believes it.

Skip that sentence about being lazy and not using your brain - it's the last thing I'd think of you.

However, should you maintain your view, we migh just as well finish this debate. I'll have to remember that I can get called a jackass when comparing somebody's country unfavorably. You'll have to remember that there are people who feel that they have every right to do so, and claim objectiveness.

ok, I haven't really used it, but isn't there an option in job manager to increase prirority of queued jobs? I might be imagineing(sp?) things, though.
You can always make sure that your haulers are not wasting time by hauling e.g. stone(by not making stone stockpiles, or forbidding these in the stocks screen).

If my memory serves me right, you can not set haulers to get only wood, so maybe they have other hauling jobs to finish first?

You can't really expect single solution to the energy crisis. Sure, nuclear energy sounds great, but do you have any idea how much time and money it would take (neither of which you have) to build enough nuclear powerplants to power America?

Didn't France manage to pull this one? They've got 70-something-percent of power produced by nuclear plants.

and they reached this level in 30 years.

That depends, if you think that you'd be able to do a turn every one-two days in a near future, and more importantly, if you want to continue playing.

I sort of feel that we're going in circles...

  The theory behind Gitmo, imprisoning terrorists, was legitimate.

so was the theory behind imprisonment of heretics. These people weren't just believing in their own religion, they were trying to undermine the ruling power's(church) authority=cause destabilisation, disrupt peace. It's the overzealous/politically charged follow up that makes it an illegitimate event in my eyes(unless you want to put on morality glasses, but please, don't)

We object that the inquisition happened at all.

In principle, it was the right thing to do, to maintain stability(which you can equate to personal safety of civilians), for the same reason it is the right thing to do for USA.

(Spanish Inq.)It was nowhere near the scale, it was for entirely different reasons and it's flaws were completely different

I don't think I meant S.I. in particular. Not to mention that it's hard today to judge it's real scale.
Still, while inq. and Gntnm are certainly not the same(as it had been said before), there is a very important similarity: it's the criminal overusage of authority gained due to right(legitimate) principle. It's the overstepping of laws while relying on general populace's desire for safety for acceptance.

while Gitmo was aimed at one very specific group, those believed to be a threat against america

...while jews, muslims, hussites etc. were considered a threat against the Church.

Look, I'm not denying your country the right to protect it's populace from harm, but for some reason, it decided to use methods that are not accepted even by it's own law system(hence Gntnm is not on USA's territory)

I hope I didn't quote your words too much out-of-context.