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Quote from: Bumber on July 23, 2014, 06:21:17 am

Quote from: Dunamisdeos on July 23, 2014, 02:01:24 am

Question one: Sauropods are essentially Bronotsaurus, right?

More properly called Apatosaurus now, but yes.

I'm still upset about _that_ change.. "Gravitationally Challenged Lizard" (dunno where I got that from... maybe Sir Terry?)

Blegh. The brontosaurus wasn't ever even a creature. He found an adult apatosaur, decided it was its own creature, and put a brachiosaur/camarosaur head on it because it was the biggest. He found the biggest head bits he could find and stitched them together to form a composite head. Nevermind that brachiosaurs/camarosaurs are macronarians and are barely even the same shape as apatosaurs, which are diplodocids. (diplodocids have four legs all roughly the same length, macronarians are all tilty for eatin' trees.)
So. Don't be upset about that.

If this is possible then something like

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[REACTION:COMBINE_DRINK]
   [NAME:marry barrels]
   [BUILDING:STILL:CUSTOM_M]
   [REAGENT:A:1:DRINK:NONE:NONE:NONE]
   [REAGENT:CONTAINER_A:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:A]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:B:1:DRINK:NONE:GET_MATERIAL_FROM_REAGENT:A:NONE]
   [REAGENT:CONTAINER_B:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [CONTAINS:B]
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
      [DOES_NOT_DETERMINE_PRODUCT_AMOUNT]
   [REAGENT:CONTAINER_C:1:NONE:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [EMPTY]
      [FOOD_STORAGE_CONTAINER] barrel or any non-absorbing tool with FOOD_STORAGE
      [PRESERVE_REAGENT]
   [PRODUCT:100:2:DRINK:NONE:NONE:NONE]
      [PRODUCT_TO_CONTAINER:CONTAINER_C]
      [PRODUCT_DIMENSION:150]
   [SKILL:BREWING]
   [AUTOMATIC]

could be used to automatically marry all of our forts alchohol  .

Does this work? I am so curious.

Oh man I had no idea copper would be strictly better than iron under certain circumstances, although obv if they are denser they are more likely to be able to beat the IMPACT_FRACTURE of metals.

With about 50 copper can beat bronze and not quite steel, and I infer steel/iron will be able to punch right through copper armor, so that all seems about right. Taking down rhinos and giant anteaters with wooden bolts requires a great deal of them in the arena, but they suffocate or bleed out, so I'm probably overdoing it. Not to mention the total lack of quality modifiers. I'm playing a fort with the tweaked raws right now and I have yet to actually really engage anything significant (my hunters are terrified of the giant storks native to the area.  ) They'll get over it eventually.

At Shoot_force 50 Steel turns aside copper nearly every time(some bruising, which can eventually(theoretically) lead to pulping), and silver slips through the thinner parts (greaves) and can fracture(1/10 or so? rarely). Bronze does not turn aside copper. Copper turns aside wood(and probably bone) bolts, but of course they can always get you in the throat.

Hmm. I think that's about where I want it, actually. Copper bolts are (relatively) expensive, but armor-piercing. Steel-clad enemies need specialized munitions or simply millions of (copper) bolts to handle, which seems about right.

So that's the shoot_force pretty much where I want it. I think the MAX_VEL is alright?

Quote from: Agent_Irons on July 22, 2014, 11:52:39 am

Any progress on a linux/OSX release? I *suppose* I could find the source and build it myself, but I only sort of know what I'm doing. No rush anyway, no fortress has even hit 20 dwarves yet.

I think linux should be good now. OS X release is waiting on the memory layout, which the folks at DFHack are working on. The current version of DT can be compiled on Mac, but won't recognize the DF app running.

Oh, I see. That actually makes a lot of sense. Well. I will be patient and appreciative of all the good work they do then.

I pulled them right off the first page of this thread, but I still don't really know what I'm doing.

I mean wild animals are marginally harder to kill with .40 broken arrow wooden bolts than .40 vanilla wooden bolts, probably due to the lack of bone-shattering. Which is to be expected and good.

Raws for copy-pasta purposes
Based on the advice of Pirate Bob, bumping contact_area to 10 for helmet/breastplate increased protection and upping the shoot_force for crossbows and bows (but crossbows more than bows, because natch). I'll test these a little more this afternoon and evening and report back, because partial armor penetration would be nice, especially when I put in FDII enemies a little later.

Any progress on a linux/OSX release? I *suppose* I could find the source and build it myself, but I only sort of know what I'm doing. No rush anyway, no fortress has even hit 20 dwarves yet.