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Guess there's no choice but to vote Nirur Torir at this point.

((I really think you shouldn't have give up, Nirur. I was actually convinced you were being framed and only pushed you to see how would you and Leafsnail react. Question: How was dealing with scum TricMagic like?))
He picked good kill targets.
We both played fully self-focused scum games. It worked pretty well for us, but might have burnt us at this stage if we'd both gotten this far.

Sorry, I didn't see any real way to argue against a no lynch, which just felt like the obvious choice in my mind, even if Leafsnail was scum.

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You have it solved, well done. Leafsnail tracks Kit and myself each night until either a kill us made or someone gets an investigate.
If Leafsnail gets night-killed, both Kit and myself get lynched, and I can't move suspicion away from myself.

I could drag this out until we're all sick of it, but I can't win without a lucky draw from Superdorf that just leaves a sour taste in our mouths. Instead, I yield.

I killed your precious alpacas, and I'd do it again.

Nirur Torir.

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Using it was a poor choice, I didn't consider that we might have verifiable roles. I hope I didn't break our chances, sorry.

Leafsnail, about your excuse of not lynching Tric because of the 'town idiot' lynching meta: How long were you thinking about that, and why didn't you mention it earlier? It feels like it has a hint of truth, but that was the worst possible time to say it. I don't see how I can not see you as scum, unless we can somehow still disprove someone lying about where they were last night.

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Alright, if I remember correctly, we were about to pile-driver LeafSnail for attempting to defend his scumbuddy who really, really doesn't deserve defending.
Perhaps, but an interesting thing to post and leave.
Do you still think I'm scum?
Are you going to do anything about this?
Or do you think I'm town now?

Nirur Torir: You have a redirect ability. Did you used it during those nights Superdorf was redirected? Do you think it might have targeted him?
I only had manual use of it last night. I used it, and don't know who it hit. I figured most of the remaining town abilities were likely to be weak or random, and was hoping to mess up the scum strategy.
I did not get another ability last night.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 12, 2019, 05:17:14 pm »
Nirur Torir: What do you mean by "frame job"?
I don't see a reason for him to care about Shakerag's role, unless it's to prove what I said was possible. And the only reason to do that is to frame me as a scumbuddy.

(Unless he actually is innocent somehow, but still doesn't want to acknowledge his slip. Which I highly doubt.)

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:52:54 pm »
Riiiiight.

The only reason I haven't hammered you is I want to see Shakerag's responses to the day.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 12, 2019, 04:22:07 pm »
Still got 24 Hours to go. And still no Shakerag.
Ugh, I'm up and about.  Friday was a wash and I'm typically busy with chores and errands on the weekend.  I'll see what I can do about catching up now as I have a little free time.

This doesn't particularly matter at the moment. What your role is does though.
HEY! Why do you care?

Oh ow, I see. That is a surprisingly nice frame job after your play all game.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 11, 2019, 02:00:30 pm »
And that's 3, or possibly 4 with the vote thief. The next vote might be a hammer.

Aight, lemme try again to understand this.

Nirur Torir says he did nothing last night.
RGU says Nirur Torir did something last night.
Therefore, either one of the two is lying, or Nirur Torir's night action was messed with somehow.

Do I have that right?
Yes.

It can be resolved if someone brainwashed Nirur into targeting RGU. So the question is: did anyone brainwash Nirur into targeting RGU?
At least now you admit it.
Of course, if your scumbuddy has the brainwash power, then they won't speak up.

Tric: Are you going to even acknowledge that you said 'yes' to being in a chat?
I guess not.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 11, 2019, 10:12:44 am »
Except we won't get anywhere if our votes are spread out like that. If you're so sure that TricMagic did make a slip like I am, then you should probably be voting him. While I'm not entirelly sure if Leafsnail or you are scum or not, TricMagic is as confirmed as he can be, seeing what just happened.
I don't want to make it easy to hammer, since we have a vote thief, don't know who the third scum is (if there is one), and are waiting on people to weigh in.

Incidentally, if you think the rules surrounding this are ambiguous and that my interpretation is wrong then why haven't you asked NQT for clarification?
I didn't consider it ambiguous, and hadn't thought about brainwashing.

Leafsnail. Town. Pretty likely, given his insistence on protecting certain players.
On protecting you, you mean.
Definite towntell, that /s

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randomgenericusername, Nirur Torir. In either Case, one of you is town, the other is not.
Unless I was brainwashed and we both are.

Tric: Are you going to even acknowledge that you said 'yes' to being in a chat?

All: Do we want to no lynch today? With Hector being canceled by IcyTea, there might be a second SK who also kills slowly, but another day for power roles and narrowing it down might help. I'm not in favor of a no lynch.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 10, 2019, 09:04:55 pm »
So, why are you voting Leafsnail instead of TricMagic if he was the one who made the slip, if it really was one? While I'm not really sure anymore, there's still the possibility Leafsnail could be town and we want to avoid a misslynch if we're really on MyLo.
Tric isn't here to answer. I'm fine with either; they're both scum.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 10, 2019, 08:58:04 pm »
Either I visited him to Do Nothing or I made him re-target Everyone into Everyone. Easy.

And I think it's absurd to blow up what could be a very easy typographical error into a definitive scumslip.
Which is just plain silly to say while insisting that one of the two of us is a liar, based on your own guess of the rules, AND while defending Tric's "very easy" typographical error, before he can respond. Just take all the pressure off his scumslip.
This is not the first time you've been oddly convinced on Tric being town. You're both scum, what a way to slip.

Why don't you let your scumbuddy defend himself, Leafsnail?[/b]

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 10, 2019, 08:23:34 pm »
I don't know what more you want me to say. A "You're lying," "No, you are" match comes out with me as a the obvious loser, since his only requires one thing to be true.
...What? Are you aware this line of reasoning makes no sense from the perspective of a town player who shouldn't know whether RGU is town or not? You're explicitly trying to work out the most plausible way you can lie to cover yourself, rather than trying to work out the truth (and from your perspective, "RGU is mafia and lying" should be a possibility).
I didn't consider that he might have been lying, because it's such a risk and an easily disproven claim to make, after I flip if nothing else. Scum dislike sacrificing themselves like that for a lynch.

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day 3 - Launch of the doctor!
« on: May 10, 2019, 07:14:34 pm »
Aight, lemme get this straight. RGU claims Nirur Torir "visited" him last night. Nirur Torir believes somebody forced him to use his vote-gift ability... but the votecount is normal, so failing unrelated vote shenanigans it's extremely likely that either RGU or Nirur Torir is lying about something. Do I have that right?

Nirur Torir: Is your new ability something that RGU would have noticed last night, if somebody had forced you to use it?
You have things wrong.
My original ability was to randomly give my vote away for the day.
My newly gifted ability is to randomly redirect a random target.
The action I tried to perform was Do Nothing.

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On the other hand we do have a 1v1 between Nirur Torir and randomgenericusername - I'm currently strongly leaning towards Nirur Torir due to how incoherent their claim is and their weird mechanical pleading instead of just concluding RGU is lying. I'd like more clarification from Nirur Torir about it.
No comment from you on Tric claiming to be in a chat?

I don't know what more you want me to say. A "You're lying," "No, you are" match comes out with me as a the obvious loser, since his only requires one thing to be true.

Also yes, I was hoping that you would explain about your ability. Paraphrasing the one I gained during the first night and used in the second: I can, once per night, learn the names of everyone who doesn't target me during that night. With the list of names I obtained, the only ones who were missing were me and Nirur Torir. If you had used a redirecg, I believe I would have obtained the list of everyone who didn't visit someone else, but then I would have seen your name as you would have visited me instead of the target I would have been redirected to.
[You] aren't the target there.
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   otherwise if a random chance of one in 10 succeeds:
      say "learn the [learn] of [target]. Action: Investigate";

To say learn:
   otherwise if a random chance of one in three succeeds:
      say "name";

   otherwise if a random chance of one in four succeeds:
      say "[everyone] targeting you";
[You] are never targeted in that. [Everyone] gets redirected to [Everyone].

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Mafia / Re: Proc Gen Mafia 2 - Day One - Magma Alpaca Revenge
« on: May 10, 2019, 06:22:06 pm »
In order...

Hector, obviously. See current train I won't get off.

I'm not SK. I just hate Solo Evil with a burning passion right now because I have their scent in my nose.

Eh, I'd take a quick tutorial in scumhunt, I usually base it on Night Happenings, like I said.

Answered in my previous post, as dorf re-asked it.

How about I strengthen it in my previous post, then follow up with an attack on Nirur!

Nirur, you compliment my move against you, then taunt me into moving farther. You seem to be banking on the idea that I'm too hot for SK to take a moment to scan you. And you're half-right, I'm not skimming your posts. But I am calling out what I read as attempted "Oh yeah? Really attack me. No? Still on about SK? Look at this determined little scummie..."

You're next on my lynch-list.

This is what I'm talking about. In this post, he outright refuses to deepen his case against Leafsnail to continue focusing on the serial killer. He threatens him saying that he's next on his lynch list, but makes no move against him after that.
This was pointed at me, not Leafsnail.

Also keep in mind that TricMagic answered "Yes" to his own question regarding chatrooms. I don't think there's any role or ability that can't be made by the generator containing such power, so I think it's very probable that TricMagic slipped and claimed to be in the mafia quicktopic by accident, without realizing what he did.
Okay, I need to get on top of things, I didn't even realize those questions were to everyone.
I don't think the generator can make a non-mafia chat.
Tric: Explain. (I'm not going to vote, because of the vote thief and I don't want to risk hammering the day away when it's just started.)

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