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Third assault went better. Killed 30 dwarves, most of them military. Died to a champion speardwarf weilding a better spear than me. He was one of my guys who was legendary in all weapons but crossbow.

And that ended it. I decided to start a new fortress with a new world, so I supped up the goblins and had some fun.

(Also, the new goblins already ambushed me in spring 1 and killed my farmer.  )

But there would need to be a battle field experience stat for each weapon skill, as you may find unorthodox ways to use a weapon while battling unusual enemies or while fighting in circumstances that you don't get while training.  You could be the king in the fencing class, but if you don't know how to improvise in the real world, you won't beat that legendary warrior who has defended the land from thirteen massive attacks with little back up.

For the first one, that would make more sense as battlefield experience for each creature. There aren't that many creatures that are odd (it can't be that different to fight goblins than to fight dwarves) and honestly most of that stuff could be "passed down" from champions (Imagine champions holding "what to do on the battlefield" classes). And actually, if that "legendary warrior" was also using fencing, and wasn't as good as you, you could whip his ass. One on one duels to the death are... well, that's sparring, just to the death. Bad example.

To the above: Two stats makes more sense. Weapon skill is technical proficiency with weapons, and battlefield exp. is experience under battlefield conditions (more resistance to fear, avoiding traps, spotting ambushes, more ability to fight while wounded, and some increase in skill, but not much).

To give you my concept of it, Battlefield experienced people are almost never going to be able to beat somebody with less battlefield experience but more weapon skill in a straight up, controlled fight. However, battlefield exp. guys are the dwarves who won't flee (military dwarves DO need to flee, it gets annoying when your concious dwarf with a broken weapon arm attempts to punch a squad of goblin axe users to death when he should be fleeing) and would be more effective on the battlefield, especially if they were squad leaders and sent to attack other bases (of course, this is all when the army arc comes out). Putting it all into weapon skill not only leaves the problem of forcing all your dwarves to be stuck in mediocricity in what is easily trainable, but also means that all the GOOD things about battlefield experience cannot be expressed. Also, Beowulf wouldn't have been as badass if he didn't kill monsters, but he would still be just as effective with a weapon.

It's complicated and at least somewhat unnecessary, and it kicks ass!

That means it is very dwarven. I give it two carps up! 

Keep up the good work, (footker)chief!

I think you can increase goblin power by turning off "Multiple Litter Rare" on them, and increasing their size. I'm trying it out, and while I can't be sure yet, I think with them repeatedly giving birth to goblins that are born children and turn into adults at age 1 and have goblin litters of 1~5 (and are as big as cows) it should be tougher.

Of course, I did mod dwarves to be the same size as humans so I could use their equipment... heh. Heh heh.

No... you were saying it should limit the dwarves technical proficience with the weapon, which is what I disagreed with.

The best method, and a pretty damn easy one to set up, for exploratory mining is shaft mining.

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Etc. (O is mined out). 100% reveal with very very little labor (for a 48 by 48 square it probably matches the labor of his cross design and is easy to set up).

You just need lots of staircases and an entire layer of rock mined out to explore the whole world with this.

Ok, since I abandoned my fortress (gobbo sieges hovered at 70 units or so, I was going to mod the gobbo, human, and dwarf breeding time to increase the number of goblins and humans besieging me, unless you guys know any other way), I decided to kill everyone off. Now I thought the small reclaim party I was given (21 dwarves to run a fortress with over 100 workshops that comfortably seated 200 dwarves with a created wealth of 3.5 mil) would be all that was left. But apparantly that didn't get saved, so my old fortress is still up.

What I have to fight:
Roughly 120 civilian dwarves.
15 champions, number dead, not sure.
About 30 other unimportant military dwarves.
10 elite crossbowmen.
20 crossbowmen.

First assault, playing a lone grand master or legendary in everything (cheats) dwarf: I managed to kill around 15 dwarves, including three champions. I was then shot in the leg, fell unconcious despite my high toughness, and was slowly beaten to death by civilians.

Second assault: I go in as a human demigod (once again, cheats) with the maximum number of followers. Unfortunatly, a marksman manages to hit me in the throat and I only can kill him, a champion, and three civilians before bleeding out. My meatshields killed two civilians and an elite wrestler before dying.

Third assault: TBA!

Pilsu, you are pretty damn incorrect. It is ENTIRELY possible to become a master at a skill without having to kill somebody with it. As I said, I'm fine with dwarves having a battlefield experience stat, and crossbowmen needing to train on moving targets, but there is neither in-game reason nor real life logic behind keeping somebody from being a "master" with a weapon because they haven't killed somebody with it.