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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 04:50:35 pm »
I'm going back to playing DF, return to your mutual agreement on how great statism is.

Translation: I'm taking my ball and going home, since you won't let me spout bullshit uncontested.

Remember Nik, Losing is Fun!

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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 03:25:52 pm »
And finally, the least-discussed economic decade in every Roosevelt-worshipping history book.

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There were several errors on the part of policy makers that plunged our economy into a deep depression. The inaction on behalf of President Hoover, New York Governor Franklin D. Roosevelt, and the Federal Reserve Board to curb over-speculation proved very unwise. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930 which President Hoover supported and signed into law helped to paralyze global commerce. The huge tax increases signed into law by Presidents Herbert Hoover and Franklin D. Roosevelt retarded economic growth, ballooned the national debt, and sunk the nation deeper into the great depression. If Presidents Hoover and Roosevelt had moved to curb over-speculation and otherwise continued the economic policies of Harding and Coolidge, the nation may have been able to have avoided the great depression.

Ohshits! Run leftists! History's catching up!


SRSLY? Cherry-picking much? Care to find something in...y'know, an actual BOOK written by an actual HISTORIAN? F**k, what's next? backing up your arguments with discussion board posts from FreeRepublic?

The real golden part is that you apparently didn't even read it, because you got such a hard-on when it blamed Roosevelt for something.

A. Curbing over-speculation meant enacting financial regulation. Which conservatives hated and still hate.
B. Yes, Smoot-Hawley was a bad, bad idea. And it was a REPUBLICAN idea. Smoot and Hawley were both Republicans, it was passed by a Republican majority in both houses of Congress, and signed into law by a Republican President.

Ohshits, Nikov! Read your history before you try to weaponize it!

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General Discussion / Re: "Man Shouldn't Play God"
« on: November 15, 2010, 02:42:33 pm »
"And the LORD spake unto Urist, saying 'Build thee an ark of bauxite, and place two of every kind of animal within. Except cats. Take unto thee but one cat, lest doom befall you all. Truely I say unto thee, although boats work not, thou wilt really want to be in that ark when the Lever of the Covenant is pulled.'"


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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 02:32:07 pm »
Dear New York: The Senate is there to save America from itself. And besides, history shows that Senates never get very powerful anyways. So you should totally let those dickwads in South Carolina have as much say you do, even if there's like five times as many of you. Love, J.M.

I grok a lot of Madison's arguments, but I see nowhere in there where he's saying that Senate representation should act as a mechanism of redistribution of wealth from the large states to the small states. I mean, the idea is downright SOCIALIST.


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General Discussion / Re: "Man Shouldn't Play God"
« on: November 15, 2010, 02:13:51 pm »
We could just think of it as a friendly reminder that when we muck around with stuff we don't quite understand mistakes will be made. Shit will go down. Use caution.

You know, because we shouldn't pretend we can fully understand the consequences of something we just discovered. As if we were some omniscient deity. Kind of like a memento mori but more of a memento fuckup.

Which is why every good Dwarf Fortress has that one red lever behind half a dozen locked doors. "Shouldn't play God" = "Shouldn't pull levers that you haven't fully tested."

Of course, the only way to test them....

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I'm game. North Carolina, USA. (I'll laugh if I wind up with one of the other forumites in the Triangle...)

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General Discussion / Re: "Man Shouldn't Play God"
« on: November 15, 2010, 01:22:28 pm »
Now I've got Frank Zappa's "Dumb All Over" running through my head.

Hey, we can't really be dumb if we're just following God's orders
Well let's get serious, God knows what he's doin'
He wrote this book here and the book says, "He made us all to be just like Him"
So, if we're dumb
Then God is dumb
And maybe even
A little ugly on the side


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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 01:12:32 pm »
Oh, I'm not knocking the Dakotas. I have a metric buttload of relatives in South Dakota and Montana. It's purely the "hellishly cold" thing.

And for the record, I couldn't live in New York either. Didn't mind visiting for a few days, but I don't handle huge cities well, and New York is too cold for me as well. North Carolina is my happy medium -- not too crowded, but not a barren waste; warm, but with occasional snow; cultured, but you can drive out to the country and have a pig-pickin'.

EDIT: Unfortunately, we're also in the top ten worst budget deficits, in part because we have a f**kton of roads to maintain, and we heavily subsidize public education.

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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 12:37:45 pm »
Ahh. Hence my comment above about "places you couldn't pay most people to live".  :P

Not that the people aren't nice or anything, just that it's like North America's smaller version of Siberia. With less trees.



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General Discussion / Re: "Man Shouldn't Play God"
« on: November 15, 2010, 12:34:41 pm »
Personally, any time I've heard that whole "man should not play god" thing it rings in my ears like some abusive husband telling his wife to get back in the kitchen.  It's an arbitrary limitation imposed by somebody with authority upon somebody else to keep them in their place.

To play devil's advocate here (God's advocate?), you could argue that it's more like a parent telling their 2-year old not to play with matches. Yes, the adult gets to play with matches, but that's because we're (hopefully) more mature and careful because we more fully comprehend the danger.


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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 12:27:49 pm »
low cost of living

You ain't fucking kidding. I pay $275 a month for an apartment New Yorkers would kill each other in the street for.
$275?!?? Where the hell do you live? One of my ex-girlfriends in White Plains, NY paid more than that for the parking space at her brownstone. (Yes, the parking space cost extra on top of the $1200/mo or so that she was paying for a ~400 sq.ft. studio.)

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General Discussion / Re: "Man Shouldn't Play God"
« on: November 15, 2010, 12:18:26 pm »
Yeah, I think it's more of a caution against hubris, especially when TEH SCIENCE is involved. Not unleashing forces beyond mortal comprehension and all that.

Oh, and just because it's obligatory:
Spoiler: ME AM PLAY GODS! (click to show/hide)

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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 12:01:59 pm »
I think the best explanation for the state budgets is population/demographics rather than ideology. Let's look at the top five budget deficits vs. their population rank:

California: Deficit Rank (1) / Population Rank (1)
New York: Deficit Rank (2) / Population Rank (3)
Illinois: Deficit Rank (3) / Population Rank (5)
New Jersey: Deficit Rank (4) / Population Rank (11)
Florida: Deficit Rank (5) / Population Rank (4)

Common denominators: High populations, large amounts of infrastructure to maintain, high urbanization rates, high land values (so they took a beating when the real estate bubble popped and property taxes plummeted), high average wages (thus higher expenditures on unemployment benefits)

Now the bottom five:

Wyoming: Deficit Rank (50) / Population Rank (50)
North Dakota: Deficit Rank(49) / Population Rank (48)
Montana: Deficit Rank (48) / Population Rank (44)
Alaska: Deficit Rank (47) / Population Rank (47)
South Carolina: Deficit Rank (46) / Population Rank (24)

The top four there actually have small budget surpluses for 2010. The common denominators? Low population, low urbanization, low land value (hence less damage from the real estate bubble), low cost of living, low average wages (thus lower expenditures on unemployment benefits) and high Federal rents for mineral rights and military bases. Oh, and with the exception of Montana they're places that you couldn't pay most people to live in.

It's not exactly a shock that a mass downturn in manufacturing, real estate and financial services doesn't really affect Wyoming. People weren't exactly flipping condos in Casper. And their outlay for transportation alone, well....let's look at the numbers:

Wyoming (2009): $652 million
California (2009): $25,819 million

The loss in California's property tax revenue alone is almost certainly larger than Wyoming's entire budget. When you add in the Federal grants that states get, which tend to disproportionately help the smaller, more rural states, it's no surprise that the empty red states have a better balance sheet.


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General Discussion / Re: Socialism & Communism
« on: November 15, 2010, 11:06:27 am »
I know for a fact that the customer service sector is migrating back to the US, specifically because of the reasons I already laid out.
Really? Because the last half-dozen times I've had to call support (both internally and as an external customer), that wasn't Kansas I was talking to. At HP, our payroll support line goes to Mexico, our technical support line goes to India, and I believe my org unit's HR support line goes to somewhere in eastern Europe. I know for a fact that IBM shipped the vast bulk of their internal desks to Brazil and Mumbai. External desks may be slowly trickling back, but corporate internal desks for the Fortune 500 are overwhelmingly offshored now, because hey...what are the employees going to do about it? F**k 'em if they don't like it.

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Yes, the pension plan days are over. Federal or private. Personal responsibility for one's finances need to become part of the culture again.

Because taking a job with a blue-chip thirty years ago BECAUSE they promised a good pension and actually expecting them to live up to their word was totally irresponsible.  ::) By the same logic, investing my money with a bank is irresponsible because the bank could always sink my money into subprime mortgages and then collapse.

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Take away the price floor? I'd call it the employability sub-basement, and answer YES PLEASE. The labor market would adjust wages and businesses will adjust prices to what it should be within a few months and we'll be able to get the economic engine moving again with people returning to productivity. Its a damned sight better than extending unemployment benefits to two years.


Oh hey look, your last paragraph admits your third was a non-issue. Cool beans.
No, my last paragraph was pointing out that your "price shock" scenario of rapid deflation in wages and prices WON'T WORK. Not to mention the havoc it would wreak on the fiscal system. Hey, you had a $80,000 student loan to pay off? Guess what? Now instead of paying it off in 10-15 years, you'll die owing money. Now, it's a goldmine for anybody who is actually debt-free and laden with liquid cash. $50,000 in the bank suddenly goes a lot farther if all wages and prices take a steep plummet. Gee, which class of society tends to have a lot of cash reserves and which class tends to have a lot of debt relative to income?

You need a time machine so you can go live in the 1920's with Vanderbilt and Carnegie.

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General Discussion / Re: Youtube fasc...patriotism
« on: November 15, 2010, 10:35:09 am »
That bumper sticker is pretty terrible on so many levels. Does his car get scratched by keys often ?
Considering that he lives on one of the largest military installations in the Western Hemisphere? No. And frankly, that's pretty mild compared to many other options that I'm sure were on sale.

RedKing, lets say I'll neither confirm nor deny the notion he'll be learning new tricks in Afghanistan.
My biggest worry is that he'll get there and they won't be learning new tricks. And using tactics honed by years of urban combat in a decidedly non-urban environment against a different enemy. That would be stupid, but it would also be a textbook example of military rigidity. Luckily, we'll have been ramped up in Afghanistan for over a year by then, so they should have learned from their mistakes by then. (For one thing, they're already figuring out that slow big-ass MRAPs don't work so well in the Mountains when your attackers are on motorcycles and Toyota Tacomas.)


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