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Kane: Aqizzar has mentioned that W could go to 2 for non-heroic characters of size 1.

Since noone seems to object to this set of stats, I'll wait for the combat rules before trying again.

Aqizzar:

I see how this would work. I have some hope that there would be some actions that take higher stats.

For example, a unit with a really high B might be able to charge through enemy lines, provided it has a good F stat, too, possibly wounding a unit or causing a unit to panic. This would only become viable with a B of ~9,10. Of course, this would only tactically work with other units to help clean up the mess, as the unit with high B would now (probably) be surrounded. This would solve the diminishing returns problem, while still making a unit with one very high stat not overpowering.

In any case, I'll take the following scale: 1-3 is neglectful, 4-7 is normal, 8-9 is devoted, and 10 represents lifelong training. Heroes could have things higher than 10.

E: Ran through some more examples, using some retooled min/max equations, and the squares of the stats as costs. Here they are:


I think that this is better, in terms of unit balance, but I'm disheartened by how increasing the lower stats seemed to come "for free," considering the overall cost. That said, the retooled equations are looking better and better. But maybe that's just the cold talking.

Aqizzar, you might be heartened to know that the # is one of the stats that I left up to unit type. The other one is Z.

Org: Um. Please stay calm--it does no good to voice your criticisms twice, with the second one being pretty angry.

Aqizzar: Base size is 1? Oops, that'll change things. Does this correspond to a human? And if so, will there be a size 0, for things smaller than a human?

I tried to keep what you said about logic, initiative, and bravery in mind when making the decisions about those units. If you could hash out some combat rules, I can try to incorporate them more into my designs. If not, then giving me an idea about how the scale works would work fine. (i.e., 10 means this, 5 means this, 1 means this.)

Also, how are #, M, and W scaled-- from 1 to 10? Or something different?

As for cost, I'll try a few different approaches next, see how they affect the outcome. Maybe you can get an idea for how the cost might work that way.

Vactor: I'll take a look at that, see if it gives me any more balanced options.

Alright! Hammered out a few examples, here are the stats and some descriptions.


I'm not too confident with these results. The only heartening thing is that I had trouble fitting within my goals and the limiting equations that I had. I'll post the equations if requested, but there are some... inconsitencies, let's say? Definitely not as well thought out as I'd like.

Also! I tried to keep most of these normalized on a 10 pt. scale, with 10 or so as the limit of human ability. Z, M, #, and W were notable exceptions.

Alright! I'll spend some time today trying to come up with some units. I'll have two sets: ones that I'll try to make "balanced," and one that I'll try to use to break the game in interesting ways, as a way of pressure testing.

For reference, what's the cost of your basic unit?

E: Actually, I think a simple system would just add the stats together. Not sure how to do dice rolls, yet, but I think I can come up with something.

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What about cookies? Does he need cookies?