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Quote from: pilgrimboy on February 09, 2013, 06:41:47 am

After looking up things, I guess I wasn't as mistaken as you made me out to be. True, the size (as in land) may be the same, but the size (as in population) isn't even close. I googled "max population in simcity 3000" and "max population in simcity 4." In Simcity 3000, the average seems to be around 2.5 million while some have popped the 10 million mark. In Simcity 4, the highest I saw was over 1.5 million. People consistently build in the 600,000-700,000 range. Big difference in size.

Bzzt! Wrong again

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nuu943ieuRI

Population in a MEDIUM tile (that's 1/4 of the SC4 Large or the SimCity 3000 tile): 3'242,424
No population mods were used.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YF_hM1Wpkzk

8'340,902 (don't know which terrain, so I'm assuming the biggest). Money cheat, but no mods.

People usually don't make their cities that big because they play around in many cities.
In SimCity 3000 you played one city until you were bored with it and never touched it again, so yeah you reached a higher pop.

In SC4 you can have a RIDICULOUSLY DENSE city if you spend a lot of time making people commute to work to another city. Or having the entire city be super-hightech industrial with nothing but the biggest $$$ residentials, because all your pollution and "plebs" are also in the next city.

And as 10ebbor10 said, the population is just a number, they could have used 10x cap in every building when they made the game, make transit have 10x the cap, make everything 10x as expensive (so the increase in taxes would be irrelevant) and the game would have been exactly the same as it is now.

It's a bit like saying that chars in Final Fantasy are stronger than D&D ones because they can have Strength 400 instead of 18.

I think when people complain about SC5 city size they don't just talk about the number in the corner of their screens, but about the actual complexity and amount of buildings they can have, so yeah, they're talking about terrain size, and how many "agents" you can have running around before the processor grinds to a halt.


And remember: In SimCity 2000 you could have "infinite" population.

Quote from: Spitfire on February 06, 2013, 07:15:23 pm

Quote from: Normandy on February 06, 2013, 05:44:54 pm

Yeah, I think the multiplayer aspects are actually something to look forward to. I've recently started playing dropbox simcity 4 (http://sc4devotion.com/forums/index.php?topic=11945.0) with some friends and it's actually really fun

Holy jesus this is cool! Dammit that I just heard of it now. Do you know if there are still SC4MP-games running between strangers? (Non of my friends are interested in SC$.)

Whoa... putting the save folder in a DropBox? So anyone can do that and have their own "private server"? That's pretty damn cool.

Quote from: pilgrimboy on February 07, 2013, 08:31:32 am

Quote from: Tilla on February 06, 2013, 03:41:32 pm

Small regions in 4??? That was the game with the largest regions by a longshot.

Sorry. I used the word region when I meant city. In 3000, the playable area was much larger than 4. In 4 they introduced regions thinking that was what we wanted (or more to probably limit the size of the cities), but it disappointed me. I didn't like regions. I liked cities. But again, remember that my experience was from release date to about four months later. A lot of things could have changed since then, but I remember the cities were nothing in size compared to 3000. And now they are doing that again, the cities in the new one will be nothing in size to 4.

Simcity 2000: City size: 128 x 128 tiles
Simcity 3000: Maximum city size: 256 x 256 tiles
SimCity 4: Large city: 256 x 256 tiles.

This was at release day, without any patch or update.