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Ive already read that a few times over , I original had say 5 or more sets of perfectivly working stairs

1 downstairs
2 up/down stairs
3 up/down stairs
4 up/down stairs
5 up/down stairs

ok so level 6 I couldnt get to it so in my confusion I built a ramp, one up and one down and somehow my dwarf got to level 6 then died of thirst down there

Ok so this time I tried to get a second miner down to 6, I had assumed I had poblems on the other levels so I dumbly removed stairs on the way down so I have

1 downstairs
2 up/down stairs
3 up/down stairs
4 down stairs
5 down stairs <---currently dwarf is stuck here, he cant go up and he cant go down

Level 6 has a downward slope wair I need the stairs going up but I cant make upward stairs

So its a kinda weird prob

If you look at my second example , I now have a more urgent question, how to I get my dwarf back to the top considering:

Theres no function to rremove downward stairways so I can just replace with an up/down

Trying to place an up stairway in a place where an up/downstairway previously worked perfectly does nopthing , nor does an up down stairway

So no up/down , no up, no down so my question is simply at this point how do I get back up where I CAME from? before this guy dies as hes stuck and the blue arrow is flashing so he hasnt got long, not only that starting again isnt a problem, I will enjoy it but I do not want this happening again. The wiki doesnt provide enough situational examples and to me logically

a down stairs sends a dwarf down
an up stairs sends then up to an above level
a down/up stair way is used when you have the following:

Level -1
dwarf wants to go up to l1 ^ and also down to l2 so up/down
Level -2

Having read the wiki alot I would be appeciative if someone can highlight what the wiki tells me in relation to my problem that I have missed?

Just some minor stuff now guys/gals , loving the game but as it stands one miner died from thrist even though there was a river near by, however I did have lots of mining to do so perhaps he tried to finish all the jobs before going for a drink, I THINK I had alcohol but I am currently about to do capt ducks tut on setting up a brewery.

So I had 2 miners, 1 died , what I did was goto labour and set one of my growers also to miner, the thing is he unlike my first miners has now skills in mining so I am hoping here just skills up automatically to profficiant miner and I dont have to physically skill him up via a lvling screen?

Another issue is not too far from my fortress these traders are standing about, I doubt they belong to me so how do I utilise them? I also got some message earlier something along the lines that the traders bypassed my fortress. The thing is they aint too far from my fortess. Is the reason the bypassed my fortress carved into rock because I didnt have any amps at my entrance?

One final issue is I wish I hadnt lost that dwarf, I actually have food stockpiles as well , one outside but I recently moved inside, either way how can I get the dwarfs to breed and create more dwarfs? Also if proper working dwarfs come top my fortress eventually is there anything I must do to make4 this happen?

heres what I currently have

2 rooms with farms in the and I can see some plump helmet spawn has grown
2 food stockpiles, one inside
a batch of barrels
My fortress cut into the rock on the topmost level lets say level 0
a level under that containing bigger rooms lets say level -1 . These rooms have a stone and wood stockpile and furniture stockpile, I have 3 masons workshops on this level also, I have 3 carpenters workshops here

On floor 0:
I have a barracks which has been assigned as a barracks, it contains beds
I have a room with a table with 10 chairs , I assigned it as a meeting room as per tutorial so Im hoping and it visually looks like its getting used for eating as well

N.B There ar rocks everywhere , when I assign a rock stockpile if I assign it on squares with rocks does the stockpile still happen, its just I still see the rocks but cant actually see the stockpile icon for rocks?

I cant wait to try another fortress as I know I can do better but I am trying to learn as much as possible from this post + the video tuts, they have helped immensly and as off 2 days ago I cant get enough of this game

Ow one other thing, in game I was messing about mining and I noticed underground there was a square of water, it was flashing and temptation got the better of me so I dug into the water and it all spilled out, my miners didnt die though which I found quite surprising, I was thinking of using this methods to get water to further underrground? Thoughts?

I actually like these kind of discussions. In my eyes the following things define the quality of a game:

Immersion
Uniqueness
Content
Gamplay
Good Story
Open endedness
Fun
Not boring
Imagination provoking
Replay value (This is the area nearly all games on the market fail and DF actually manages to nail this aspect)

I think RPGS or RPG hybrids are the best kind of games these days, any kind of game where you get to become some person in a world filled with lore and political choices. I just started playing DF, now heres the thing I generally dont like strategy games as they are all just too similiar but DF seems to not just break the mold but smash it up into tiny pieces and thats the kind of stuff I love in games, if the devloper manages to couple fun , openendedness and non boring play with all this then you have a groundbreaking quality game.

Thats how I see it with what conforms to my personal tastes and actually if publishers actually listened to players gaming hopes and asspirations then gaming wouldnt be in such a shallow poor state that it is these days where they spend time employing ridiculous protection/3 days rental schemes rubbish at the massive expense of game quality and enjoyment.

Thats my contribution to this thread

Thanks very much. I am totally loving this game now btw! One final thing I am unsure about channels , still am not 100% on their purpose.

In regards to ramps, well you know that level that I could go below well what I did was pressed shift and > to go down 1 level, I couldnt build any stair ways but I was able to buil a ramp so does that mean that there was a high and low area on the same level?

My main issue now is understanding the purpose of channels though, hopefully captain ducks vid tuts cover that at some point, Im just following those for the time being and I think I will be playing DF for a long time, it has quick feedback but absolutely massive depth at the same time and it has renewed my faith in text games and whats great is I am not even good at it let and still have loads to learn!

Cheers people, yeah I have kinda found that out about the preplanning and you cant always do everything the way you want.

I think this is a great newbie help thread and Ive also come across superb video tutorials and the more I do well I am starting to really like this game. I did ask one question on the thread which has been asked loads as I didnt notice the answer was already there dow! Anyway to save newbies doing the same , heres the video tut link

http://www.bay12games.com/forum/index.php?topic=28477.0

Also the version of DF the guy uses is :

v0.28.181.39e Graphical Repack (PC)"

which can be found at:

http://dffd.wimbli.com/category.php?id=18

I am using the default DF and am just starting to get used to it so I am unsure whether to move to the graphical repack, however it is handy for newbies, who like me want to be able to follow the tuts to the letter.

Thats me been reading fo days on this game now and I havent even seen a fraction of it but now I can honestly say its highly enjoyable.

Hi,

I am trying to follow a video tutorial and I have dug a downstairs then updown stairs and got considerably deep , level 17 I think? However I cant get any deeper, i also struck a mineral called olivine, niot sure if that has any relevance with not being able to dig deeper?

Also I dont really get the differance between ramps and stairs? I assume that ramps enable you to get to a hump of rock that is on top of a rock on the same level? I dont know how to tell when that is the case though? I have looked at the wiki and Im able to get stairs working well but not sure about ramps, even after reading the wiki

Any help greatly appreciated, I am starting to really like DF now though!

I am unsure of what the content is but if its a video explaining how to play the game that would be super awesome! Away to check them out

Haha! Just checked the first youtube one and it appears thus far my assumption is correct, firing up DF right now! As a newbie these should be very useful to me, big thanks to the OP!

Appreciated!

I didnt expect there to be anything like that out yet, thats great they realise modding is a massive part of the alure to bethesda games. If the truth be told I like betheshda , I just worry if their direction is going to be feasible longterm.

Batheshda aside I would like to see game companies forgetting all this need to get the latest and greatest lighting/graphics/physics and maybe just aim for respectable graphics which will run on most peoples PCs and less harsh graphics = more content, also I think lets dump the voice and get back to actually reading again because of the quests are well enough done, the fact they are in text wont matter and once again this = more content (I do appreciate the absolute little in the way of an immersive main plot F3 has that it does have other good arreas but I cant get ove how the main story ends, I say this as someone who has explored most of the map and done a big amount of the filler, my point morrowing managed to make filler feel like it was needed to get to the main story and in my view F3 didnt achieve this, although this may not matter to many of you , it matters to me)

I have done loads of F3 filler quests but tbh having a good main story is also very important to me and thats where F3 really falls over in my eyes. I should also add make lots of parts in the story that you just wont be able to do until you have seen the world, I liked how morrowind had a lack of urgency and you new roughly what you needed to do but it was like "go explore" , consequantly I have morrowind+ all expansions and I did a royal A ton of quests lol, storyline ones included and I still never reached the end and I havent even visted the werewolf island, and I was on the game for dam months! I enjoyed it alot and I will go back to it, now thats replay value right there because there is so much great content, sure nothing perfect but I just feel epic games seem to be consigned to history. I guess people just dont like having to work for months to attain a goal or actually work in a thriving world, I just love true open endedness