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Shouldn't believing members of a religion do everything to convert the people around them?
Non-believers would go to hell, and it would be evil to knowingly send them there, no?

Crap, thanks guys!

Quote from: MC Dirty on February 28, 2010, 07:12:38 pm

Quote from: Don Blake on February 28, 2010, 06:59:06 pm

Quote from: Cypress on February 28, 2010, 06:55:55 pm

You fool! If you go out into the water, you're just making it easier for the fish to feed on their favorite prey: Dwarf beards.
Nay sir, if boats are added to the game, I will use them only to dispose of goblins. A true dwarf should be under the mountain (or in a large and overly elaborate palace), not a leaky, creaky boat!

How about sailing boats down your underground river?  Having an artifact stockpile only accessible by booby-trapped dwarf boats?

How about taking Adamantine boats out on magma?  :p

You have to admit, Cypress, that the latter thing is extremely dwarven. ^^

True
Very true.
Still, it lacks something, but I can't put my finger on it

☼Adamantine Battle Axes☼ as rudders?

Oh no not another one of these threads. I'm sorry, but there is literally no point arguing about religion on the internet. Allow me to summarise the arguments:

Religious:

God is so impossibly omniscient and omnipotent that anything you claim to disprove his/her existance is simply a fault of your inferior organic reasoning. Also a few people and a book say he/she exists. Therefore god exists.

Atheistic:

We haven't seen god poke his head out of the clouds and say "Hi! I'm God, and yes, I do exist!" so therefore he almost certainly doesn't exist.


As you can see these arguments aren't provable or disprovable (except by god him/her/itself). Anybody arguing about this is essentially just preaching with the futile hope of converting people. As much as I would like to see people be logical and just give up on religion already, it is an unfortunate fact of human nature that we will find patterns in anything and then try to find something to explain those patterns. Once we have found that something, then we will selectively search for evidence to support it, ignoring evidence against it.

The only tried-and-tested way to get people to believe in the same thing as you is to demonstrate that your belief allows you to explain things that others can't. This is the purpose of science, and only through millions of years (at least) of scientific progress will we be able to truely demonstrate/disprove the existance of deities. The way I see it, god could well exist but his possible domain is limited to everything outside our current understanding of science. The only way to truely know whether or not god exists is to understand everything about the universe. Once we can explain every phenomenon observed then and only then will we be able to safely say that there isn't a god. Until that point I don't care if people want to claim that god created the big bang, just as long as they don't try to contradict observed fact (such as the anti-evolution lobby).

But... fuck.

I mean, religious people.
They simply resist any attempt at logical reasoning!
That drives me batshit insane

On the topic of


Viking/Pagan/Folk Metal

Image above is Ensiferum, who has an IMO hot keyboard player and is the probably biggest name in paganesque epic heroic folk metal. Note that these guys are, being Finnish, not Viking metal. Vikings = Norse people, Norse people ≠ Finnish people.

As an example to mind-blowing epic powerful music:
Ensiferum - Heathen Throne
Ensiferum - Tumman Virran Taa
Ensiferum - The Longest Journey (Heathen Throne Part II - part 1)
Ensiferum - The Longest Journey (Heathen Throne Part II - part 2)

Listen it in one go!


Then, we have got Tır.
Tır is a kinda known Viking/Pagan metal band. They hail from the Føroyar (Faroe islands).
They make kind of heavy metal with progressive elements and clear vocals. Also, unlike some bands, I think they get the Viking image across without being ridiculous.

The songs you should probably hear are:
Tır - Regin Smiğur (This is føroyskt, the Faroese language and very close to Old Norse)
Tır - Into the Storm


And last but not least,
Moonsorrow.

They are a melodic black pagan metal ensemble. Also, for fuck's sake, the Finnish language makes me jizz.
Moonsorrow - Sankarihauta Featuring the extremely plowable queen of Iceland.
Moonsorrow - Pakanajuhla

Other big names in the folk/pagan/viking genre include Korpiklaani, Eluveitie, Einherjer, (Amon Amarth is not Viking Metal), Fintroll and many more.

Quote from: Myroc on February 26, 2010, 07:17:17 am

You are in fact the son of Thor.

I worship you Dwarf, for I pillage and rape in the name of Thor!

Great, new sig. Thanks

Also, good god, CharimanPoo, wasn't that kinda unsettling?

Necro'd for the sake of metal.


On the topic of


Black Metal

The signature themes of Black Metal are mainly a bleak outlook at life, and, sometimes, satanism, atheism, antitheism or paganism. It's the metal way to say that life sucks, and does suck hard, in a non-emo way.
As an example of life-hating lyrics:

Black metal, especially black metal drumming, requires skill to play, despite what you might think upon hearing.
Hear closely and isolate the drums. Are you noticing with what insane speed the drums are being played?
That is called a blast beat.

Famous Black Metal bands are, among others: Emperor, Burzum, Gorgoroth, Darkthrone, Immortal. Many others, there is an incredibly huge amount of obscure bands. Early Dimmu Borgir (For All Tid, Stormblåst) are also more widely considered as Black Metal.

Bottom line: Either you like it, or you don't.