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You are a stock T-800 model, sent into the past by Skynet to terminate John Connor. Your infiltration protocols kicked in once you saw the other T-800s, wisely preventing you from acting against John Connor while his protectors can stop you. You will have to blend in and terminate the other T-800s until you have the opportunity to terminate John Connor.

Each night you and your fellow Skynet T-800 can discreetly terminate another T-800 model.

You are Mafia. You have access to the shared night kill of your faction. You may talk privately with your ally [In a secret topic held on Quicktopic.com which will be visible to only you and your ally.]

Win Condition: You win when the TOWN faction has equal or less players than your faction.

You are a T-800 model, sent into the past by Skynet to terminate John Connor. Your infiltration protocols kicked in once you saw the other T-800s, wisely preventing you from acting against John Connor while his protectors can stop you. You will have to blend in and terminate the other T-800s until you have the opportunity to terminate John Connor.

You are equipped with a Tech Detector, which each night allows you to determine if another T-800 model is carrying any non-stock parts.

Each night you and your fellow Skynet T-800 can discreetly terminate another T-800 model.

You are Mafia. You have access to the shared night kill of your faction. Each night you can inspect another player to learn their role. You may talk privately with your ally [In a secret topic held on Quicktopic.com which will be visible to only you and your ally.]

Win Condition: You win when the TOWN faction has equal or less players than your faction!

You are a stock T-800 model, sent into the past by the Resistance to protect John Connor from Skynet. The arrival of eight other T-800s was unexpected; you will have to adapt to complete your mission.

You will have to use your Advanced Neural Net to determine who the Skynet T-800s are, and convince the other T-800s to terminate them.

You are Town.

Win Condition: You win when all members of the Mafia faction have been eliminated.

You are a T-800 model, sent into the past by the Resistance to protect John Connor from Skynet. The arrival of eight other T-800s was unexpected; you will have to adapt.

You are equipped with a Friend or Foe Identification Module. Each night you can use it to to analyze another T-800's algorithms to detect Resistance or Skynet signatures.

You are Town. Each night you can inspect another player to learn their alignment.

Win Condition: You win when all members of the Mafia faction have been eliminated.

You are a T-800 model, sent into the past by the Resistance to protect John Connor from Skynet. The arrival of eight other T-800s was unexpected; you will have to adapt.

You are equipped with an EMP Cannon. Each night you can use it on a Terminator to disable them and prevent them from acting. However, this will also render them indestructible and impervious to harm.

You are Town. Each night you can guard another player to prevent them from acting and protect them from night kills.

Win Condition: You win when all members of the Mafia faction have been eliminated.

I'm not an IC, but I once wrote a rant about nolynches on Day One that I think would be beneficial for this audience, so I quote it below. In brief, you can (i.e., it's a valid vote, and if it has majority no lynch will happen) but you shouldn't unless you have a very very good reason. Actual ICs will, of course, chime in with their own thoughts, and there are different considerations to be had in subsequent days; the below applies only for D1.

Quote from: Bookthras on May 08, 2012, 09:31:27 pm

Even in a game like this, or a role-heavy game like a BYOR, paranormal, or bastard, without a D1 lynch people will lack context for the conversation during the day, which is the very point of the day game. The information lost is not just the flip of a person, but who voted them, with what arguments, and forms the very foundation of how the town power roles will choose their night actions. Information is key, and timely information moreso. People flipping at the start of D2 is not nearly as useful, and a nolynch will result in people using their powers on whoever they were voting (if block/investigate) or a crapshoot for protections and the like, due to lack of context and closure.

A D1 no-lynch pretty much wastes all of D1 content, and gives scum a chance to NK/convert/whatever while town has to shoot in the dark. The amount of information lost is not small, but most importantly, you lose the opportunity to use it. N1 will never come again. Even if you learn the information later, you'll never get that night back, which scum got for free. Not good for town at all.

Quote from: Hapah on May 08, 2012, 07:22:06 pm

Also considering the fact that the D1 lynchee is almost always town (when was the last time anyone saw a scum hang D1?),

Not that rare. The very last game I played (Cybrid Mafia 3) we lynched scum D1. A couple games before that (Politibastard) as well, though that was a... different sort of game. I'm sure there are several others.

So sure, it doesn't happen that often, but it certainly does happen. Plus the possibility of a mislynch is built into the balance of the game. If there is going to be one, it's best for town that it happens sooner rather than later, so maximum information is provided early. It's never good, but a D1 no-lynch is worse.

Please disabuse yourself of the notion that a D1 no-lynch is good for town ever. Except in very narrow types of games where constant (not just D1) no-lynch can be used to break the setup (which is not the case here), whenever you think a D1 no-lynch is good because it's cautious, it's misapplied caution, and will hurt town much more than a possible mislynch would.

"All right: where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right and who is dead."

"But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you. Are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet, or his enemy's?"

Resigning yourself to being lynched.
Saying something like "there's no way for me to avoid being lynched so I won't bother trying"
Blackmailing the town, like "You can lynch me, but you'll be sorry when you see I was town all along!"
Voting yourself for any reason.

• Oh my god this game seems fun. But wait, what are the rules?
  This is a good Mafia tutorial, brought to you by the wise JoshuaFH. Heed his words. It isn't included here because it's rather too long for that.
• People are accusing me of being scum! I'm about to get lynched! What do I do?
  The first and most important order of business is not to give up.
  One, two votes isn't much. Even if someone's got a bandwagon on you and people are writing walls of accusations, do not lose hope. You can still turn this around, no matter how bleak it appears. Fight them with your own arguments, and search for people you may think are scum, and try to turn the votes against them. About the worst thing you can do is give up, whether you are town or scum; you are harming the town by making it lose another member, distracting them from hunts for the true scum, and worsening your own game as well.
  The other players have nothing against you: it's just how the game goes. Even if you foul it up and people yell at you for it, once the game is over we're all friends.
  There are still people who give up, saying things like "You'll all be sorry when you find out I'm just town afterwards!" and "I'm not even going to try, there no way to stop this". Don't be that guy. Not only is it rather selfish, it will simply deepen your grave. You have to get out of it with real, meat-laden arguments, and these empty threats and remarks will only make you appear more scummy.
• Do I have to post so much? I can't be bothered.
  Yes, you do. You have to be an active player to scumhunt effectively, and with a lurking playerbase you might as well just hand it to the scum. There is always something to say; even if someone said what you wanted to, say it anyways in your own words. Always ask questions, always observe.
  This is a very demanding game. If you don't have enough time, then perhaps you should look elsewhere.
• How do I even tell if someone's scum anyways?
  This is, in fact, a difficult question. The game involves a lot of observation, and often it's more about intuition.
  You can often tell with the help of the List of Common Scumtells, provided below, but don't make the mistake of overusing it. Not every accusal against you is an OMGUS, and not all attempts at logic are WIFOM.  If in doubt, always remember Sturgeon's Law: 90% of everything is crap. Don't take anything for granted.
• What's all this wine stuff that players keep talking about? Does Mafia cause alcoholism?
  They are likely referring to the concept of WIFOM. It's a name for the kind of circular reasoning that you'd find when scrutinising scum motives, and is described in the CEAs (Commonly Encountered Abbreviations) and Other Terminology Commonly Found in Bay12 Mafia below. It goes like this:
  
  A: Why didn't our most active player get killed? It would be the scum's goal to kill the most active players to remove accusal, wouldn't it? The only conclusion is that [active player] is scum!
  
  B: Or is it? What if the scum wants to keep the most active player to draw suspicion on him? The scum could then head the attack on this player, thus pushing themselves into a position of trust amongst the town! I've got my eye on you, A!
  
  A: No, that isn't right! Clearly, they would stay in the background, and the people who go for the bait like me would be attacked by the scum, thus making themselves appear insightful! B, how dare you do this to me!
  
  B: Or perhaps the scum would be someone voting for a person that isn't the subject of a bandwagon, thus appearing both inconspicuous and independent! [lurker], you are scum!
  
  As you can see here, both A and B are making wild speculations on the motives of the scum. Their votes and eyes are all over the place, and nothing is really getting done. It distracts from real scumhunting, which is seeing people play and making observations from that, not speculating on how people would or would not play.