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Well, good game.

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Five (5) to Hammer
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Oh.

(3) Knightwing64: Maximum Spin, ToonyMan, notquitethere

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Five (5) to Hammer

Okay.

Knightwing64.

'Jim hasn't even tried pissing people off enough to get shot'

I don't think this is a scum tell even in the context of this game.

Ok, I actually do think Jim Groovester is scum. Because he's not really being aggressive.

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Is your argument really that I'm scum because I'm not being rude?

I've read Jim well before, and I know his play from the notable games archive.

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Your meta read is shit because it starts with 'I have a meta read on Jim'. I can't think of a recent game where I was caught because of a meta read. I got caught in Demon Mafia not because my meta was different but because Knightwing64 was scum and outted himself hard but I didn't want to make confirmed townies out of half the town so I tried to avoid suspecting Knightwing64 for as long as possible.

You also support your meta read by referencing games from TEN YEARS AGO IS THIS A JOKE

NJW, Jim hasn't shown logical-me any real scumtells, but he does bother emotional-me and I still don't know why. I'm willing to shoot him tonight if you want to coordinate shots.

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Everyone suspecting me has really fucking lame reasons.

webadict: I think he is a certainly a scum due his 3 minute flip-flop alone. I at first thought it could've been him and Toony, but I've shifted to Web-Max. I don't believe his claim that he dropped his "barbarian-posting" because he found that style of posting hard to do. I think he dropped it because I didn't relent on drawing a link between him and Max being on a team.

I'd read flip-flopping within three minutes as more of a town tell than a scum tell. It displays (but doesn't necessarily guarantee) genuine decision making vs calculated decision making to advance an agenda. I think you're wrong on this one.

Whenever he feels pressured, he drops his formerly jovial and light-sarcastic tone to shift suspicion off of him. Which has he has been doing all game after I made my read of him. His post activity spiked after that.

I think he dropped it because I didn't relent on drawing a link between him and Max being on a team.

You're overestimating how much you're affecting other people's behaviors.

I can't decide if Lidku is scum or this is another example of him committing (and then doubling and tripling down) to an incorrect, off-base case.

Knightwing: webadict has dropped his act so far, can you give a defense on your side on why you're acting so strange?

Quote from: webadict on August 22, 2022, 11:17:28 pm

Why are you so sure Knightwing64 is Town here? What has he done?

I'm not sure on whether or not Knight is truly Town or Mafia.

I have a hard time balancing your opinions about all the players you think are scum for voting Knightwing64, and your actions regarding Knightwing64, and then this wishy-washy noncommittal opinion about Knightwing64 himself.

Like you've already picked out your scum team and want him to come in to defend himself but you preserve the possibility that Knightwing64 is scum?

(I might have COVID, and that means limited mental capacity and ability to function.  Still in the "Test Negative, but who knows?" stage. So, uh, double check the vote counts, ok? And if I disappear at End Of Day or Hammer, just shut up and I'll get to processing the turn when able.)

Feel better, friend.

Jim is disengaged

I am not disengaged! You will know when I'm disengaged when I say I am disengaged.

Jim

Quote from: Jim Groovester on August 21, 2022, 08:59:37 pm

There are a lot of town resources in this game. 3.5 guaranteed kills if the town perfectly coordinates kills, along with lynches, which is absolutely ridiculous. In comparison the scum team can pull off two guaranteed kills before their one shots are out while the town still have their vests.

This is interesting, do you think it's worth co-ordinating town shots? I sort of assumed most players would shoot their shot on N1.

Coordinating town kills was the strategy I expected would organically arise out of playing this set up.

'hey, brother, this player is bothering me, want to shoot him with me'
'hell yeah, brother, let's do it'

I don't mind the RP posts, I've played games all in character myself. That said, I am finding Web a little bit hard to parse. I wouldn't be surprised though if he has some kind of posting restriction.

I understand where you're coming from but I find this a net improvement in comprehensibility over webadict's normally cryptic and evasive Day 1 posting style.

Still need to hear from NQT and Jim Groovester... heyoo Jim, still voting you.

Jim: I meant the last game we were together in, which I think was Roden's Demon Mafia. Anyway:

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There are a lot of town resources in this game. 3.5 guaranteed kills if the town perfectly coordinates kills, along with lynches, which is absolutely ridiculous. In comparison the scum team can pull off two guaranteed kills before their one shots are out while the town still have their vests.

Uh... could you explain this for me? Specifically the part about the scum team? What are the assumptions there?

This was not worth voting me over to remind me to answer compared to just reminding me in bold for when I get around to posting.

So, everybody has a one shot kill and everybody has a one shot vest that protects them from one kill. The scum team also has a night kill. In order for the scum team to guarantee that their target dies during the night phase, the scum team will have to double up on kill actions in order to eliminate their target from the game. I.E., Scum 1 uses the night kill on X and Scum 2 uses the one shot kill on X to guarantee a kill. They could gamble that that their target has already used up their vest or that members of the town will also want to shoot their target but that's silly. They can do this guaranteed kill twice before they run out of one shots and can only rely on their night kill (barring role silliness I didn't know could be a possibility when I was typing up this answer originally).

Quote from: ToonyMan on August 21, 2022, 11:23:01 pm

Max hasn't told us if Knightwing is town or mafia yet, this is very odd.

The hell I haven't? Who am I voting for again?

Okay, maybe it went over your head. Knightwing has not posted a serious-sounding post yet this game. That's how I judge towniness of Knightwing. The roleplay provides a convenient excuse for covering up Knightwing's known tell, which is why I additionally suspect the one who kicked off the roleplay to have done it on purpose to protect him.
And notably, after doing so, I get voted by that very individual on shady, shaky grounds.

I might buy this if Lenglon didn't have a history of RPing in mafia games.

Followup question: Have you ever said "big brain theory"  on d1 and been right? I'm not trying to bring you down, nobody's ever right on d1 unless it's real easy, but come on. I've already had it out with webadict over this kind of thing, and it's hilarious how similar you two are.

whatisirony


Never mind, not ironic.

I don't think it's shooting-worthy disengagement NJW, however I am working on the assumption that I die tonight and so I either shoot or my shot is lost forever. That being the case, it's the best shot I have at this time. If I didn't think that I die tonight, then I wouldn't shoot at all at this time.

If you're going to shoot somebody then you should find somebody to shoot somebody with. That way it guarantees removal of your target from the game.

If you don't coordinate ahead of time you're scum since you're just going through the motions of vigging and not actually trying to solve the game by guaranteeing a kill.

So you'd prefer I die without shooting instead of taking a bad shot? I can work with that but would like confirmation.

You didn't ask me but yes.

Get somebody to buy into your plan to shoot a target or don't shoot at all.

As a matter-of-fact, when Jim asked Toony why he voted for webadict, he just ignored Jim..

I was not that bothered by ToonyMan ignoring me since I said I would ask him for a reason later and not right then and there. ToonyMan eventually provided the reason on his own without me having to ask for it anyway.

I'm going to leash a vote on webadict for now. He isn't acting like himself and his grammar is really bad on purpose. Something isn't right with him. He's either being a troll!Town or a Mafia trying to tone his posts as a troll!Town.

I'm going to keep my vote on webadict for now, just because I just don't find his post-style really worth bringing over to D2 (though I don't even know/doubt anyone is going to vote along with me). Toony is someone next in line I find suspicious right now.

These are not good reasons to vote webadict.

Do you earnestly believe that these reasons make webadict scum? If you do I'm not sure I can believe you.

Sticking your neck out and boldly making claims about other players might make me read you as town if I thought the claims themselves held any amount of water.

Quote from: NJW2000 on August 22, 2022, 07:15:22 pm

Still need to hear from NQT and Jim Groovester... heyoo Jim, still voting you.

I don't think Jim is going to post today. He might be busy with IRL things.

Though, this makes me wonder if Lenglon is going to switch from shooting me N1, to shooting Jim N1 for "disengagement". Is the arrangement only a special order for me only? Or does it not discern?

Yep, not going to bother posting today.

See you on Day 2.

Being voted for liking RP,

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I think max doesn’t realize that people can change. Why would I act the exact same every game? That makes no sense, of course I’m going to be different every time. The last time you said I was mafia, I was town anyways. Your reasoning is flawed and unreliable.

Alright, I'll bite. How have you changed this game????????????

I’m… not scum? I mean, you can vote me, I guess. I’m kinda used to it at this point.

What happened to don’t shoot the medic?

Whatever, you will all be sorry when I bring my medkits to the grave with me muhahahaha

Apparently I completely missed that there are more abilities than just the one shot kills and one shot protects.

I honestly don't care about whatever doctor abilities you have. I think the abilities we know about i.e. the one shot kills everybody has are sufficient to solve the game without knowing any other parts of the setup so you can't convince me that your role is too valuable to not lynch.

Quote from: webadict on August 22, 2022, 06:16:49 pm

Quote from: Knightwing64 on August 22, 2022, 06:14:46 pm

I have no clue what you just said, I’m gonna be honest

no problem i fix

nightwing you say medic but tone say dont care and that bad guy say so why WE no red name YOU?

Well, the game literally just started, so I’m not that attached, I mean, I would prefer not to get voted. But what can you do?

Have you tried playing instead of consistently bemoaning why people find you suspicious?



notquitethere - lean town
webadict - lean town
ToonyMan - weak town because he's doing normal town things but my gut says he's faking but I have nothing specific to point to for my unease
Maximum Spin - I feel like this is probably town Maximum Spin
Lenglon - lean town
NJW2000 - lean a tick townier than null
Lidku - lean wtf is he doing
Knightwing64 - lean Knightwing64 is frustrated at playing mafia

I don't have town reads on Lidku or Knightwing64. Everybody else I feel pretty okay about it. If I ask myself does Lidku/Knightwing64 solve the game I can't answer yes but I also can't answer no either, which isn't that bad for me on Day 1.

I can't wait to show off what an effective and cohesive fighting force we are by inflicting casualties before we ever reach the enemy.