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So obviously we need to start making people in DF who resemble fictional characters.
If you don't do this, you are unfinnish:

Name a character Väinämöinen, his weapons are a Finnish zither made out of the jawbone of a giant pike(Giant pike may or may not be magical(remember to mod in the ability to sink people into created-on-the-spot-swamps when the zither is played and we have magic)) and a sword(made by a smith named Ilmarinen). Against harpies(or any flying female monstrosity) he is to be equipped with a wooden oar.

From the amount of beating so far dealt to the FB, I'm pretty sure it's getting close to dying of bloodloss than someone getting a hit in. Did you give the order to Kill or Move to the area? Kill orders never work properly for me. Dorfs go after the target one at a time or just trickle to some area. Move is much more effective, they'll rush the spot and get aggro on hostiles or wildlife.

Just bumrush the fucker.

Maybe the vampire migrants would be RNG-created victims of the said vampire, or some of his own created vampires bit the migrants and so on?

Regardless, oh god let us play the new version soon. I got so much crap I want to do with the new tags and shit.

What do you mean GCS can capture any creature? How would you use it for that?

Also I like the idea of trapping a FB to use for killing prisoners, would a room blocked by a floodgate suffice to trap it? Will it destroy a floodgate, and I'm not sure what you guys mean by using a trap with a door behind it, would a single trap not work? How about two traps in a row.

GCS silk currently causes every creature to get tangled on it(excluding HFS creatures, I figure, never tried it myself), so if you manage to get a GCS to shoot web on a cage trap, then if a creature that otherwise would walk right over the trap goes over it, they first get tangled on the web and then as they're "vulnerable" they'll get caught by the cage trap. And tadah! A trapped forgotten beast or whatever!

As for the FB trap: I'd just wall the creature up somewhere if it is caught in an area, either by a bait dorf or a chained creature. With a real built wall, those it can't destroy. Floodgates and anything you place by the Build command can be smashed to bits and you don't want that.

After that it's up to how to drop things to the FB to kill. A retracting bridge would work the best. Just make sure that the FB isn't one that can fly. Otherwise, whoo boy.

I figure I might as well post here again.
Still alive as is this mod. The multi-civ thing I went for with the Adventurers seems to be working fine. Although I did pay note that(fortunately) armorers make gear that fit everyone the same from moglins to frost giants. Weapons however will be handled differently(a mogling needs both hands to carry a battle axe, for example).

Purely Adventurer/human castes have quite high numbers relating to various physical or mental prowess, resulting that a lot of migrants can show up as mighty, unbreakable and so on. Considering how easy it is in 2010 to end up permanently crippled though that's just fine.

I'm sure I could pull off something to make the "other race" members have classes like Berserker or Wizard and so on but that might be overdoing it.

I finally had the chance to test my soldiers against the Undead in an ambush as well. Results were decent, I guess. My skeletal enemies apparently are easy to dismember and render harmless what with the lack of limbs, but killing them isn't exactly as easy. Need to chop off the head or crush it since they don't have blood and so on. Well, drop- or magmatraps would work on 'em just as good anyway so yeah.

Probably need to tweak some numbers on trobbles. There's way too many three-eyed ones around, or maybe they're just generated like that when arriving as migrants? Need to mess about regardless.

Interestingly, despite having NIGHT_HUNTER tags, both Vampires and Werewolves are still friendly enough to arrive to trade and not suddenly go after anyone in Fort mode. Legends show that they do go after other species regardless, although the mentions of infighting and murder among their ranks have me amused. Looks like some side-effect.

Modded in elemental orbs too. They show up deep underground, are extremely valuable(a rough one is worth 750 dorf bucks) and you can use them in a custom workshop(along a bar of steel) to "summon" a really-super-awesome weapon that comes from the Artifact Weapon list which you normally only would get by moods. However, you need a rough elemental orb, a cut one works just like a gem, so it should be sort of balanced out by that. Depending on the site size and luck though(they have a show-up rate of 1) you could still end up with a load of 'em and arm your army with weapons of utter mass destruction.

Thanks to THAT ONE GUY(I forgot your name and where you posted it) the few ranged artifact-only weapons that the mod has now have 'railcannon destructive power'. At times when the enemy is shot with an arrow or a bolt from one of these babies, they're propelled back at such speed that they're instantly slammed against a wall and blow up in several giblets. If you read this and are feeling angry that I didn't give you credit: I'M SO SORRY. Here's my address, come punch me in the face if that makes you feel better.

Melee weapons unfortunately don't seem to get the same kind of propelling devastation despite trying(or maybe I didn't crank up the numbers high enough(100000 isn't enough?)) but whatever.

Anyway, on the rough elemental orbs:
Like said, they're rare and you need a rough one along a steel bar to summon a super-weapon from the custom workshop. Since you're dealing with Yulgar(the shop-owner of the widely used weapon-armor-whatever shop) the workshop uses Appraisal as the skill regarding how great of a quality weapon you get out of the deal, so finally those Legendary Brokers have other uses outside of trading with merchants!

Right now though each orb only qualifies for 1 weapon, most of 'em a weapon from one of the elemental uber-armor sets. Light orb doesn't do that though, because Light has the Golden set and the weapon there is an axe, and gold doesn't really work that great as axe-material. Not to mention that it'd end up as a "steel golden axe" with the way it currently is, easy to turn the bar to require a gold one but still. Light orbs can be used to summon... some other weapon, I'm at work so I can't remember what it was that I replaced the Golden Axe summon with.

I COULD of course just make some "weapon-only gold" material solely for the Golden Axe but... that seems stupid somehow.

Anyway. Currently trying to figure whether or not I should broaden the weapon-acquirement list for the shop. I could theoretically add EVERY weapon on the artifact list there, it wouldn't exactly be hard, but the shop list would then become long as hell.

Maybe make the respective elemental orb summon reactions cover 5 weapon types? Axe, sword, spear, mace and hammer? Or 4. The weapon list on AQ tends to favor swords most of the time anyway.

Oh well. Still got time since Toady is still working on the new version.
Mod looks pretty solid though. W7 apparently works just fine with this so it's my XP that had the Legends mode crash issue. Noticed though that there's some "rough-hewn Stone walls" around my site, apparently I've screwed something up with one of the elemental orb mentions. Shouldn't be hard to fix though so whatever, right?

You can get foreign weapons from moods with the current version.
As far as I remember, if your mooded dwarf has a preference to a traditional dwarven weapon and they're in the proper mood they'll tend to churn out a weapon based on what they like.

If they don't have a preference to any specific traditional dwarven weapon, then it's up to the RNG what they make.

It'll probably effect them.
I haven't had the chance to test the "cover apparently everything" armor that much, but lessee. It MAY protect people from puddles since it'd be functioning like boots along everything else. It also MAY protect people from any other spatters.

I'm basing that latter MAY solely on the part where a guy wearing some of the previously mentioned armor managed to save his eye from being kicked in because the armor deflected it. The whole damn thing may work as a sealed suit.

Maybe I should test it.