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I dislike the idea of limiting the items that can be sold to traders, instead imo items that are undesirable (esp. due to oversupply) should be devalued to the point where the trader decides they are not worth their weight to lug around

Your idea could work too, but it would be very gamey, forcing the player to have a flexible infrastructure and the ability to instantly expand.

I don't think the historical background of diplomacy is relevant, the topic is alternatives to war in the game, the realism is unimportant.

Sabotage of the enviroment has already been mentioned, as have trade sanctions, but in addition

-Kidnapping political prisoners
-Assassinating certain targets (not nobles, but dwarves with many favorible relationships and/or skilled dwarves)
-Bribing the nation as long as the fort follows certain conditions, maybe install agents?
-Poison the water
-Poison the booze
-Poison the food
-Poison the livestock/animals (Treats?)
-Release high body-temp vermin into Fortress
-Magically collapse tiles/ignite hiden coal
-Trade cursed items to the dwarves that gives bad moods/cause fast-acting insanity
-Spread propaganda causing dwarves to defect
-On the larger scale turn other allies against fortress, agitate/equip gobos with supperior weaponry

From what I am aware of.. Paper doesn't need to be made out of paper.

Though I am probably mistaken.

Of course it does Neonivek, GOD!!! you are so stupid 

Quote from: Dvergar on October 13, 2009, 03:45:42 pm

Compared to stone-crafting, all other trade goods fall short, metal-working, textiles, and gem cutting may create more wealth, but require more micro-managing and infrastructure, and are thus unneccessary

Sorry if that is too far off topic...

Glass crafting is a little better, IMO.

Granted you have magma and sand, along with a wood burning industry, that's infrastructure whearas, stone crafting creates relatively pricy trade goods at alarming speeds as long as you have spare stone (hopefully always)

Honnestly I find that my goblin attackers wear have more invested in armor than in clothing, metal being reusable and all looting it is a no-brainer, and yes it brings in too much money

But like I said before this is irrelevant because of the potency of a trained stone-crafter, the Dwarven currency should inflate very rapidly due to the ease of creating wealth.

As valuable as spoils of war are I have always been able to purchase all non-trade goods from the caravan starting with the very first dwarven caravan, creating stone mugs is so simple, effective, and even neccessary in order to create stockpile areas.

Compared to stone-crafting, all other trade goods fall short, metal-working, textiles, and gem cutting may create more wealth, but require more micro-managing and infrastructure, and are thus unneccessary

Sorry if that is too far off topic...

I never thought about how fricken rich the dwarves can get, I would only imagine that will change at some point, I have imported every non-trade good brought to me for stone mugs....