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After using a gunslinger type Sniper in vanilla... it is disappointing that vanilla LW2 doesn't have any gunslinger types.

And Zangi, you're totally correct - there's way too much stuff that's entirely counter-intuitive. There's probably some aspect of your office space that isn't quite perfect or something else like that. I've never tested light structures underground - in fact, I've never even thought to build them there, so you're in uncharted territory and are likely uncovering tons of bugs. In interacting with Asgarus, one of the biggest general issues is something you're experiencing now. When things don't work, as a player, no one has any clear idea as to why. It's a significant problem that I've got to address.

Finally, as for structures, Outer Colony's are a bit weird. Shooer is right, proper structures' nodes occupy full volumes (an entire Z level) themselves. Light structures sorta'-semi have walls, floors, and ceilings within a single tile, while free-form structures do not. The system just sorta' evolved this way. Initially, there were no such things as light structures, but I added them to the game to help players get started, as building proper structures was proving a major challenge to brand new players. Now, though, it's almost like there are two competing systems for structures, and I'm not sure if it's a problem. I need to think more about this, too.

I'm going to get some sleep soon, but I will try to provide more thorough responses this weekend. You guys are seriously awesome with this play-testing.

Can't believe I'm the first to bring up issues with underground light structures. ...  It seemed a natural thing to do.
Anyways, I've also noticed that the AI sometimes wanders back and forth on a different floor from their destination, like trying to feed babies or something.  (1 stair/entrance between the surface and the underground colony.  Underground area is built wide.)

I assume, from my experience you'll have to take a long look at how light structures... and floors/doors(they blocked pathing when I tried) bjork the underground.
Though, the way I did my underground is cut out paths and individual squares to hold the light structures, rather then mining out every-which-way.

If I may suggest, allow floors to also act as roofing for the floor below?  That would make things much more simplistic, plus... it makes sense for multifloor buildings.  Not so much when you have a multifloor building, where each floor has an arbitrary double layer of building material between them. ... awesome for vermin I guess? 
You essentially build both out of the same amount of materials anyways.

Also, do I need to use the room autobuild option to make custom buildings register?  Or am I able to individually build and designate rooms/buildings on my own?  My limited experience in using the autobuild option, putting in the numbers for dimensions, it just doesn't match.

I get huge lag when designating a large chunk of area for logging / plant gathering, it even does the hickup when I do around a 7x7 area.  Also happened when I set up an agricultural zone for my Agricultural Bureaucrat...

It irks me that I can't build the mine stairs down to floor 1.  The pop-up even says floor 1 should be an option.

(I've stopped playing for now, considering how frustrating it is to manage peasants.  It is worse then doing it in DF... plus the underground city issues.)

That has a cooldown, he survives one hit, but won't survive the next for a few turns.

I ended up with +10k just spending money copying skills, maybe only one or two fusions.  Eating pokemon for their credits all the time is a huger money saver/gainer.  Especially the ones from corpses.

That was my +6 floor run with necroguy dark/dark.  Being able to fix/gain maxHP and essentially being able to tank a bunch of stuff is pretty good too.  (Enemy AI likes to attack squishier people though.)
With that build, you could essentially run 2 ranged units and a healer.  Once the ranged units run out of SP, you switch them out and bring in melee allies. 
Switch healer out for a more durable healer/place em out of melee range, when they run out of SP.  Or be like me and use the SP transfer skill for the healer/ranged to keep em in the fight longer.  The 0SP Lucky Aid is awesome when it rolls up 50 more SP to anyone.

When is the next Relic upgrade?  I know you get one at lvl 5.  (Fast unsummon = essential in my books.)   I had hit lvl 10... but no Relic upgrade.



Fusion is only really useful for changing resistance... for example, changing a weakness into a resistant.  But you also have to account for the stat changes... so yea.   You can at least remove the random skills for free if they are no good.

What was the problem with the light building? (You seem to have been able to place one now)

Its purely random where I can and cannot place it.  It goes against my aesthetic sense to tear down the natural walls, plus it takes 200 materials per floor/wall piece.

I tried building rooms by doing individual floors/doors.... but it just seemed to have blocked access to the places beyond.  Pathfinding for that seems to be voodoo/broken.

Alternatively, we could end illegal Mexican immigration forever by annexing Mexico. That's only slightly less feasible than mass deportation, and probably more humane.

I'd like to point out that most border hopping immigrants do not come from Mexico.  It is further south ya gotta look.


And for reference, USCIS, that shit took at least 3 years for my sister's husband to get approved.  The backlog is yuge I tell ya,  Yuge. 
And there is a yearly quota also.  Maybe if you fix those two...   You'd get less border hopping.

Cause they are clearly different in some way.