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Thanks! I assume you're talking about the flesh blocks?

I had a hunch this thread would land on the topic of the twig and berries eventually.

The very first sentence from wikipedia's entry on art: "Art is the process or product of deliberately arranging elements in a way to affect the senses or emotions." I feel this definition clearly captures my opinion on art and its purpose.

I fail to see how video games or the process of creating them cannot be classified as art, as such. A tiny doodle, a picture of a ruler on the cover of a math book, some paint splattered onto a canvas - it's all art. It's fallacious to omit video games from this, as they can evoke many of the same feelings that other mediums can. The algorithms behind a game might not be art individually (as they are not typically meant to be seen by the viewer) but the game as a whole must be art. You wouldn't call paint art, but when an artist uses that paint for something, puts it through some sort of process of creating art, it becomes art.

In my eyes, DF is a true example of this. Toady dedicates himself to the craft of the game, not the marketing/sensationalizing that the big game companies rely on. But, in the end, I'd say even their games are still art.

Even D&D screws up there - an adult dragon is 2 squares x 2 squares, yet is described as being the size of an elephant.

Elephants are bigger than that, people. Some people are nearly that tall.

You know a lot of 10 ft. tall people? Also, two things: some adult dragons are 15ft x 15ft, and IRL many elephants are usually around 10-12 feet tall at the shoulder. The sizes of creatures in D&D are left abstract on purpose in order to reduce unneeded complexity. I'm sure that's the case in DF as well. The sizes of dragons in D&D, for instance, doesn't include their wingspan or tail, which are usually much much longer than 10 ft.

Chicken fried elf? Sign me up.

Hi, Deon. Been trying out the new version of your mod (only adventure mode so far), and I noticed something odd with the dwarf castes. Specifically, moss dwarves (and maybe another caste too, but definitely the moss ones) seem to lack hair/skin colors... When I examinine them, all that's described is hairstyle & facial features. Looking at the raws, it appears that their colors aren't given anywhere, so that's the probable cause.

Jep, while Silk might not be able to be cut by an axe/sword/dagger ,
it probably still (RL) wouldnīt offer any protection to it...
the silk of the clothes would just wrap around the blade,
with silk+blade still being thin enoughto cut through the underlying flesh.

Not to mention piercing weapons (like arrows), which just might pass through the silk fabric by pushing the silk strands aside

Yep, basically what I was thinking. It's a bit hard to accurately model items composed of individual threads woven together, so clothing probably functions like a solid layer, which in turn would make silk clothes quite impervious.