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And you need real money to get started, the money they give you isn't nearly enough to keep you up there. Bullets are way too expensive as well, so yeah, it's monster loot gambling. If you're lucky, you get to buy more bullets... If you're really lucky and get into the crafting market, you can even make some money.

But you will most likely be part of the 99% of the players that will only be paying money to play.

Well duh. An actual treehouse. That's what you achieve. Maybe if one day you have children, please don't, they will play in it.

Quote from: Soulwynd on February 16, 2009, 09:56:21 pm

Sorry to barge in, but as the guy who majored physics in college I have to say that once upon a time people took atomic clocks. synchronized them, put a couple into airplanes, flew around the globe and measured the difference comparing with the expected from relativity's formulas. It was precise enough, some guys contested the precision, but even so, it shows relativity is there.

Oh, and gps only works due to relativistic formulas. One because of how gravity affects time and two because of speed. One almost counters the other in the case of GPS, but if I remember correctly, gps clocks must run a lil bit slower than earth's. I remember we calculated that in college.

Thats interesting.  I dont have a strong opinion on this topic and i'd be curious to learn more. according to the articles i've read, gravitational relativity is different from velocity based relativity.  while GPS (and presumeably the airplane experiment you mention) have confirmed to the best of our ability to measure, gravitational based time dialation, it does not touch on the other kind.

Now, these links are to the wiki and i dont mean to trumpet their veracity, but they provide some interesting reading.  If Dreiche had read and understood his own linked article about GPS, it kind of confirms the same thing.  But I'm sort of done with reading his posts.

anyway, this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation  talks about how gravitational based time dialation is a principal of General Relativity, which is a theory that has all kinds of supporting evidence and corroboration.  further details here:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_time_dilation but the first article also describes velocity based time dialation whis is part of Special Relativity, which I am not aware of any actual evidence for.

the velocity time dialation tests cited in the article i linked seem... anicdotal at best.  vague studies of barely understood principals that could have several causes.  Now, I could be totally wrong on that, and would be very curious to lear more if you could point me at other reding or relate anything you remember from your courses.

but really?  in a game?  probably not very much fun to simulate inertial acceleration to relativistic speeds.

Yes, they have opposite effects, but it actually 'proves' or gives evidence for both, as you have to take both speed and gravity dilatation in consideration when coming up with a time difference for satellites. The air plane experiment, lemme look for it in the wikipedia, also had taken both theories in order to come up with a result, specially speed, since one plane flew westwards around the globe and another east, notice one actually had the time difference increased and the other, decreased, showing evidence of speed dilatation. Ah, here it is, page with experiments, theories, evidences, alternative theories, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_special_relativity

And the experiment I mentioned:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hafele-Keating_experiment

Notice there are other experiments in the first page.

I played Ryzom for a while. Very grindy.

I was going to suggest anarchy online, but it's also grindy.

I'm out of free mmos at the moment, to be honest.

 To physics discussion:

 I am disturbed by the lack of Capital Ship Carrier in that discussion.

As in, a carrier that carries several capital ships? xD

Someone mentioned Roma Victor before, but it's pretty much a roman wurm.

Not to mention the graphics are actually enjoyable.