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I mean, uh. Ever since the introduction of the force and the VERY bias impact on size on combat, it really does feel like if the opponent is bigger than you then they have an extraordinarily high chance of killing you no matter how skilled or geared you are.

Before the introduction of force on combat, it was possible to play pretty much anything, but now it basically just boils down to "Pick Elephant Man into Vampire or savescum" because you could be a legendary +25 Elf but if a Night Creature (Not even a Roc, not even a Giant Wolf, just a regular old night freak) bites you, you cannot break that latch and you're going to die.

It never used to be this way you know.

Every time Toady reworks Combat I find myself less satisfied. Ranged combat has been overpowered since like 2006, whips have been overpowered since 2010, neither have been fixed. Yet because of 'realism' gameplay takes the L every time, Adventure Mode's basically unplayable; and that's a real shame because there's some cool stuff in there like divination and findable artifacts, but I basically have to go back to Masterwork Dwarf Fortress Legacy just so I can have gear that doesn't rip into tiny pieces on my first fight.

I've made countless overpowered adventurers, all the way back to 40d - back when navigating towns wasn't an FPS tank and shopping was super intuitive, to when the disgustingly borked bogeymen were first introduced and with careful gearing I conquered them solo too - to when bogeymen were taken away after many years...

And it's only now, that force impact is in, equipment wear is in, the horribly half baked and obtuse newbie-player-filter conversation system is in that I can safely say -

I'm no longer having fun with Adventure Mode. Like at all.

I feel almost obligated to make the biggest size adventurer I can because if I get unlucky I just die regardless of any armour or dodging I have - there's so many animal people but so few of them actually are even remotely viable, I can make an Elephant Man right now and go to the nearest shrine and roll a dice until I'm a vampire and conquer the world - yet I can put hours upon hours into an Elf Adventurer only to be killed by some mook because size > all if you get a grab of any kind.

And yet paradoxically I go through tons of fights where I break every single limb and spinal cord of my opponent systematically for them only to not die and just roll the dice on whether or not I get tendon maimed or not even though they're crippled (That's always cool - remember 40d when you could heal that without divination RNG? Was good for gameplay me thinks, even though it made no sense realistically)

What do you guys think? I personally think Adventure Mode peaked in V34.

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Getting hit in the throat.

Actually - that's all of my deaths.

Really hope Toady fixes that one day.

I see no reason to fix that. In real life, along with most fantasy works, getting your throat torn apart is lethal.

That's not my problem - my problem is there's no way to protect your throat. I have adventurers that have killed thousands of goblins - but the throat is always vulnerable, even with a masterpiece robe and full superior armor and 6 hoods and several cloaks and an iron helmet no less; there is no protection for my throat. If it's hit by *anything* I'm dead, even if it's something I could otherwise have literally killed with my bare hands.

yes, but they are punching you so hard that your throat collapses. hoods, cloaks, and helmets don't protect your throat. there has never been any armor that protects your throat.

He meant to make a suggestion. Tell him to post that in the appropriate forum.

I'm not making a suggestion - and you can talk to me directly as I'm here. I'm saying all deaths are anti-climactic when you get hit in the throat and it's a pretty big list.

Getting hit in the throat.

Actually - that's all of my deaths.

Really hope Toady fixes that one day.

If the dumped stone later gets reclaimed to be used by workshops, it must be in a place that can be accessed safely (i.e. without late-comers dropping stone in there from above) or you've just built a marvellous dwarf-murder machine. Fortunately, garbage dumps do not need a hole. If you're only using dumping to stack a load of rocks into a single tile, that can be done perfectly safely if you assign a 1x1 tile of flat floor with no holes or ramps adjacent as dump. Dumping from above gets even worse when you don't have an open hole but rather a useable ramp, because dwarfs will often decide to walk down the ramp after dumping stuff, putting themselves in the way of future garbage.

Holes can be used to move dumped items several levels down, but that takes quite a bit of safety infrastructure to become viable. Otherwise, they are only of use in actual disposal scenarios, when you don't want to use the dumped stuff ever again.

And ^: that wouldn't have worked. Ice boulders don't melt to useable water, just to water "globs", a kind of contaminant that'll sit on the floor uselessly until someone comes around and cleans it up. You would have needed to find water somewhere in the vast underground, although it might have been possible to fabricate an ice cave-in (i don't know how these work, so when i have wounded dwarfs in the first winter, it's time for frantic exploratory digging).

Holy crap you're a genius, the hole time I thought you MUST have a channeled hole or some other thing for the dwarf to throw stuff into, it's been like two dwarven years and a whole crypt dedicated to people who got viciously murdered by flying {Steel Shortword}s and the whole time I didn't need a channeled hole at all.

It's a channeled hole right next to a corridor near the workshops, giving the dwarves five places to stand in a L shaped fashion. This personally never happened to me before but this is a new design.

I remember axes being best for invaders, because they can knock off limbs, while spears are best for large opponents, due to being able to pierce organs better. Swords are 50/50 of those two. Hammers can't really kill on their own, but a shock squad of heavily armoured hammerdwarves can cripple the shit out of an army for your others to clean up. Maces are lesser versions of hammers, don't bother. Crossbows are pretty broken imo. I usually have a squad of speardwarves, one with axes and one with xbows.

Funnily enough. Hammer dwarves are completely and utterly worthless. I had a legendary armor using legendary shield legendary hammer using legendary wrestler fighter...You get the idea. Basically. I sent him after a goblin and he had like four pages of hits on the goblin. What killed the goblin? Suffocation. Next one he went to, normal sword goblin. Kicked his ass and killed him. He was so busy breaking every bone in his body ( Which for some reason doesn't quite effect creatures like it did pre 2010 ) and he got slashed eevveeer so sliightly on the leg and died.

Nope, not even superhuman agility, legendary agility and a kill list of a 100 or so bogeymen will save you from a catnap in the forest. One turn kill. noone messes with kobolds. Not even Chuck Norris.