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Because that's AI. 

Also, the fact these people are able to grow biological avatars and use them through mind changing might actually mean that AI doesn't matter as long as they can mind meld with the robots. (Again, probably not difficult and cheaper than making the avatars themselves.)

There's no proof that they CAN'T make those things. I mean, hell, space travel.

And there's no proof they can, so feel free to pull things out of your ass if you like, but it's meaningless.

Well, considering the Na'vi were just blue people with a bestiality and plantophile fetish, it's just silly. There's not a single rational person amongst them.

Considering they were making results with what's his face, he was getting where he needed to. But then, BLOOD FOR THE MACHINE GOD. (Clearly to show how the military industrial complex drives Americans to slaughter helpless civilians.)

I suggest you rewatch it; the results they wanted were "Relocate Na'vi", that result was never going to happen peacefully. The Humans had absolutely nothing the Na'vi wanted, they were not going to leave hometree.

It was Jake discovering this and making it clear to the manager dude; that no peaceful option was available due to culture clash, that forced his hand to the military approach.

And animals have this amazing habit of running from any smoke. Put down flames that don't set the rainforest on fire, etc etc. If it catches fire, all the better. You're also forgetting napalm, which burns despite any water. You see, there are ways to make fires in wet places. 

Also, the soldiers lost leaves, huh?

Oh god, i can't take this anymore. Stop, for the love of god stop. You have absolutely no concept of logistics, resources, reasonable action or anything. You are a mindless psychopath who doesn't even understand the concept of plausible. This discussion is over.

Your subconscious senses the Drama Llama as a kindred spirit, which makes you uneasy, as no living thing on the planet can possibly understand you or the earth-shattering revelations and insights you have discovered in your extensive years of life.

Quote from: Neruz on May 09, 2010, 01:36:28 am

Wrap it round the universe? Sure.

Eventually you'd just get a sheet of atoms. It'd be huge, but not infinitely so.

That's where the 'keeping it alive' part comes in.


Stretch living tissue (human, dog, whatever) slow enough and it will grow to accomodate the stretching. In this respect, living tissue has no maximum elasticity; if it is stretched at a slow enough speed and kept alive, it can stretch forever.

Because a basic sensor system combined with a floating turret gun is AI?

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Stop, just stop now. You clearly have absolutely no idea how hard it is to make a ground based robot that doesn't run into walls more than half the time. Trying to make an air-based one, dealing with much greater distances, higher speeds and an entire third dimension, would be an abject nightmare.

Yes, I just tried to ignore the massive disparity in how "clever" the people working on the planet were, since they seemed to rapidly switch from angry and warmongering to careful and cautious and back again, all the while running up and down the idiot ladder. Because it had a shitty plot, poor characterisations of pretty much everyone and was incapable of making a decent point on any single topic.

It's actually a pretty accurate representation of an exasperated manager who's being pressured by everyone and has tried everything he can think of with no result. It's also a pretty accurate representation of cultural incompatibility. It is exxagurated a bit, but not as much as you might think.

Artificial intelligence. Motion detector.

Your irony is delicious.

Your idiocy is better.

It works in exposing enemy units and allowing you to shoot them from the sky. Or getting rid of wildlife. Or, I don't know, destroying trees. I mean, who the hell would want to destroy trees, right?

I'm surprised you didn't say, "THEY WOULDN'T HAVE FIRE BECAUSE THEY ARE CIVILIANS NOT MILITARY."

No, no it doesn't. Because, you see, the thing about rainforests is they have this annoying habit of being, well, wet.

The attempts to burn the forest in Vietnam were an excellent demonstration in abject failure. Project Orange was better at wiping out the trees, unfortunately the sheer volume of that required and the fact that it defoliated soldiers as well as trees made it impractical as well.

Yay for a barely explained pseudo-science material. Why not put a bomb on one side of a floating mountain so it crashes into the rest and clears the area for a rocket strike attack?

Because of this thing called "Mass" and this other thing called "Inertia", and this third thing called "Time".

See, there are so many fucking ways the troops or whatever could've done it that what they did was ridiculously stupid. It's not about your various defences of "THEY COULDN'T" it's about the many, many creative plans that could've been pulled off instead of "ONE DOES  SIMPLY WALK INTO PANDORA."

You do realise that the mercs were being run by a former army general. Go talk to an army general about 'creative'. Go on, i'll wait.


The situation on Pandora was, quite simply, absolute hell. It was pretty much the worst possible situation you could ever hope to be in. The only redeeming features was that the Na'vi didn't have guns, and they weren't organised. Jake fixed the second one, so that leaves the first one, which was rendered moot when the entire planet decided to just stomp on everything in sight.

Also also; the goal was not to mindlessly slaughter and exterminate all the life on the planet. The shareholders would not be impressed at attempted genocide. The goal was to scatter the Na'vi and make them give up trying to resist the human occupation, genocide was not an option.

I believe this thread calls for...

Yeah, it was a pretty good fortification. But it would have had a hard time standing against a hundred thousand Na'vi.

Quote from: Neruz on May 09, 2010, 05:14:54 am

Oh that tree.

What about that tree? They blew that tree up, i thought we were talking about the other tree.

With explosives. Bombs. Rockets. RPGs. Whatever they were.

They made it go boom. See what I'm getting at, here?

Missiles actually, and yes, we know they had the explosives neccessary to blow up the tree. That wasn't the issue; the issue was getting them to the tree.

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I don't know, what usage exactly would they serve, considering they already knew where all the unobtainium deposits were?

DID they know where all the deposits were? And how? I thought they only knew where some of them were.

Surveillance of Na'zi is another one, as is searching out nests of dangerous wildlife to eradicate and being able to research from a base without having to send out human / Na'vi bodied researchers into a dangerous landscape.

Also, the whole episode reminded me of this South Park episode but stupider.

They seemed to know where all the desposits were, considering Unobtainium, when 'active' apparantly induces an antigravity field, i imagine they could probably find the stuff via EM radiation or something, perhaps even sonar. Considering a drone is probably fairly likely to get eaten by something i can't imagine they'd really be all that useful.

And who knows; maybe they did have drones, which in no way changes that there would be no way to communicate with or control the drones while they were mountains.

Also; again, they were not trying to eradicate wildlife, only protect themselves agaisnt it.

Final also, the plan to bomb the tree was done in haste; they were trying to do it before all the Na'vi tribes got together and overran their mining outpost with sheer force of numbers, they didn't really have the time to futz about running scouting missions through the mountains to try and find the damn tree.

Hell, attack drones could have won the conflict for them.

Note that I haven't read the thread, and I'm sure it's already been said.

GAH JACKRABBIT YOU FOOL IT'S ALREADY BEEN MENTIONED.

Quote that if it has. I'm all about efficiency.

Attack Drones would fall under the "Not an army operation" clause, and also the "no way to communicate with or control while in the mountains" clause, and double also the "entire fucking planet trying to kill you" clause.


Remember, again, the Humans beat the Na'vi. They lost to the Planet.