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General Discussion / Re: It's scientist music!
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:56:42 am »
Now, if you tape one to a Tesla Coil, you might have something.

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General Discussion / Re: Stephen Hawking is afraid of aliens
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:51:51 am »
It does raise the important point.  Any civilization with the ability to produce energy and material tools on the scale need to launch invasions of solar systems from other solar systems, almost certainly has the capability to produce energy and material in such abundance that it would never need to conquer anything.  Even if you did need a planet's worth of iron or something, there's plenty of perfectly serviceable dead-rock worlds, without the muss and fuss of turning a planet like Earth into an ingot.

This is exactly what i said.

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General Discussion / Re: It's scientist music!
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:51:00 am »
I see your tesla coil and raise you one theremin jam.

Also this ingenious thing.

As cool as that is, it's not shooting twenty foot arcs of lightning at things to make music, so it is inherantly less cool than the Tesla Coils.


Seriously, very little in the world (if anything) is cooler than Tesla Coils.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:49:30 am »
I mean the one before that you dolt. The one where i said that it wasn't a perfect argument, merely an interesting point to consider.


Seriously Siquo.

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General Discussion / Re: It's scientist music!
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:31:29 am »
I found it early last year, all the people i knew already knew about it, so yeah.


Also; i see they did some more songs in 2009, wonder what they'll do this year.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:22:19 am »
So you didn't actually read my post at all did you.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:04:39 am »
We don't have computers that pass Turing tests, we've got programs that pass Turing tests. Programs use logic, and the computer is merely a frame on which they operate. You could simulate the entire program by doing all the calculations with on paper.

The programs were created by man and can be analysed in a way we wouldn't be able to with biological intelligences, making them far less "alien" than them. Until we can create programs that can create programs in a sensible way (we're getting there! Singularity here we come!) they're still not what I'd call intelligent.

The MEART Brain (among others) begs to differ. Well it would, if it could beg, but it can't, so it's just wiggling it's robotic arm at you in fury.



Also:

We don't have brains that pass Turing tests, we've got personalities that pass Turing tests. Personalities use logic, and the brain is merely a frame on which they operate. You could simulate the entire personality by doing all the calculations with on paper.

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General Discussion / Re: It's scientist music!
« on: May 07, 2010, 05:41:09 am »
What, really, you guys only just discovered this?

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General Discussion / Re: Stephen Hawking is afraid of aliens
« on: May 07, 2010, 05:40:32 am »
Alternatively, melt the Earth into a ball of easily consumable molten rock from a distance at which we can neither target them or maybe even see them.
Do you have any fucking idea how much energy that would require? A Type II civilization (on the Kardashev) scale might be able to harness that much energy (depends on the size of it)...but it couldn't transport it.
The fact that he appears to have suggested it as a viable course of action clearly indicates he does not.

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General Discussion / Re: Stephen Hawking is afraid of aliens
« on: May 07, 2010, 05:28:33 am »
and no angry/noisy apes
How many times do I have to say that we're not a problem, but an asset? We're advanced enough to mine and refine metal, and then deliver it to our orbit, but we're not advanced enough to be much of a threat. And if there's one thing humans know how to do, it's kneeling before those stronger than us (our entire history proves this quite well). There wouldn't be much of a conquest, they'd just need to make examples of a couple of cities.

And free labour is cheaper than doing something yourself, however you look at it.

Actually our entire history proves that what you are proposing (violent suppression of Humans) never works out in the long term.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 07, 2010, 05:27:39 am »
It pretty much depends entirely on how you define 'Intelligence', we already have computers that can pass Turing tests and can seem more 'real' than real people in conversations. I'm not sure it would be airtight, but i think a reasonable case could be made for Computers already being Intelligent, it's just a different kind of Intelligence to what we're used to, so we have difficulty accepting it as such.


If you think about it, that's not really surprising. Computers 'think' by using a series of binary switches; how the switches relate to each other at a given point in time defines the 'thoughts'. Humans, on the other hand, think by using an interlinked matrix of neurones firing electrical pulses at each other while bathing in various chemicals; a vastly more complicated (at it's 'core') process and a much more organic one.

So computers need us to survive, so what? The bacteria in my stomach need Humans to survive. Humans need livestock to survive. Life is built upon dependancies and relationships, whether symbiotic or parasitic.



It's probably not a perfect argument, but it's an interesting point to consider alongside things like the Ant 'Mind'.

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General Discussion / Re: Atheists
« on: May 07, 2010, 04:38:01 am »
I could probably make a reasonable case for Computers being an alien intelligence.

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General Discussion / Re: Stephen Hawking is afraid of aliens
« on: May 07, 2010, 02:36:57 am »
The inability of you guys to comprehend the sheer numbers involved in the undertakings you are suggesting is so very, very human.

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General Discussion / Re: Stephen Hawking is afraid of aliens
« on: May 06, 2010, 11:48:53 pm »
They wouldn't have to come here to kill us at all. That would be silly. They'd just have to send something that could. Nukes are primitive though, and would ruin a perfectly good planet. I'd expect Von-Neumann machines programmed to destroy sources of electromagnetic radiation. That would bring us to our knees pretty quickly (can you say Dark Ages?), and keep us there unless we were very, very organized and reacted quickly to preserve the technology to -maybe- rebuild and fight back with our own machines. Which humans tend not to do in the face of crisis.

Congratulations, you've destroyed and subdued a planet that is so far away that actually doing anything worthwhile with it is a complete waste of time and resources!

Wait, this plan had a flaw in it...

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General Discussion / Re: I like anime, do you like anime?
« on: May 06, 2010, 11:36:26 pm »
I still reckon the Camper Van from Meet the Sniper is one of the best pieces of subtle humour i've ever seen :P

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