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General Discussion / Re: It's scientist music!
« on: May 07, 2010, 06:56:42 am »
Now, if you tape one to a Tesla Coil, you might have something.
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It does raise the important point. Any civilization with the ability to produce energy and material tools on the scale need to launch invasions of solar systems from other solar systems, almost certainly has the capability to produce energy and material in such abundance that it would never need to conquer anything. Even if you did need a planet's worth of iron or something, there's plenty of perfectly serviceable dead-rock worlds, without the muss and fuss of turning a planet like Earth into an ingot.
I see your tesla coil and raise you one theremin jam.
Also this ingenious thing.
We don't have computers that pass Turing tests, we've got programs that pass Turing tests. Programs use logic, and the computer is merely a frame on which they operate. You could simulate the entire program by doing all the calculations with on paper.
The programs were created by man and can be analysed in a way we wouldn't be able to with biological intelligences, making them far less "alien" than them. Until we can create programs that can create programs in a sensible way (we're getting there! Singularity here we come!) they're still not what I'd call intelligent.
We don't have brains that pass Turing tests, we've got personalities that pass Turing tests. Personalities use logic, and the brain is merely a frame on which they operate. You could simulate the entire personality by doing all the calculations with on paper.
The fact that he appears to have suggested it as a viable course of action clearly indicates he does not.Alternatively, melt the Earth into a ball of easily consumable molten rock from a distance at which we can neither target them or maybe even see them.Do you have any fucking idea how much energy that would require? A Type II civilization (on the Kardashev) scale might be able to harness that much energy (depends on the size of it)...but it couldn't transport it.
and no angry/noisy apesHow many times do I have to say that we're not a problem, but an asset? We're advanced enough to mine and refine metal, and then deliver it to our orbit, but we're not advanced enough to be much of a threat. And if there's one thing humans know how to do, it's kneeling before those stronger than us (our entire history proves this quite well). There wouldn't be much of a conquest, they'd just need to make examples of a couple of cities.
And free labour is cheaper than doing something yourself, however you look at it.
They wouldn't have to come here to kill us at all. That would be silly. They'd just have to send something that could. Nukes are primitive though, and would ruin a perfectly good planet. I'd expect Von-Neumann machines programmed to destroy sources of electromagnetic radiation. That would bring us to our knees pretty quickly (can you say Dark Ages?), and keep us there unless we were very, very organized and reacted quickly to preserve the technology to -maybe- rebuild and fight back with our own machines. Which humans tend not to do in the face of crisis.