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I'll start the game on Monday.

EDIT: I actually have one question about this setup. In the video game version of Gnosia, the "Guard Duty" roles are essentially mod-confirmed Townies, and Gnosia are unable to fake as them. This, of course, means that as soon as the Guard Duty roles claim, the Gnosia gets ready to target them for night-kills. Leafsnail, is that same limitation at work in the forum game version of Gnosia? Or is it possible for Gnosia to fakeclaim as "Guard Duty"? (The Gnosia are already buddies with each other, so it's a little easier for them to pretend to be Masons in the latter scenario.)

No - they're just masons in this game, fakeclaiming them is allowed. There are some limitations in the videogame (eg the Guardian Angel can't claim, Guard Duty cannot be falsely claimed) but I'd rather not restrict what players are able to do here.

It's a fixed setup, I'm ready to go. I'll post it up tonight.

I vote for Secretdorf.

I think this is NQT deciding he'd rather act like a jester than try to win a 1v1 fight.

Now for analysis. For now I'm going to assume that all town roles that can't convert themselves to scum are telling the truth. There is a possibility that some town players are pulling a gambit but I assume they will correct themselves later. If so, I will re-evaluate.

Let's start with what I know:
ToonyMan was a Seer
I was a Bodyguard
Both of us started the game as town. ToonyMan could've been converted by an Alpha Wolf but he'd have no way of knowing that, so he'd still be playing as if he's town. So I am putting him down as effectively confirmed town.

From the perspective of other players, I appreciate that there is some possibility that we are both wolves. But note that ToonyMan was the first player to claim (excluding TricMagic's nonsensical claim), so it would be a huge gamble for him to potentially drag both wolves into difficult fights with other players who actually have (or who have seen) the Seer or Bodyguard role.

So the question becomes, who out of the remaining 5 players should we lynch?

I'll start by defining an umbrella term of "Lying role". These are roles that have a reason to lie about their claims - IE roles that know (or potentially know) they are not town.  I will try to identify who in this game has these roles. You can work out who has these roles through logic, but identifying whether someone has one of the roles we want to lynch or one of the roles we don't want to lynch will be trickier.

They are:
- wolves * 2
- PI who targeted a wolf or a tanner
- Robber who targeted a wolf, tanner or minion
- tanner
- minion (note that minion can win by getting themselves lynched, so they can play out pretty similarly to a tanner)


TricMagic: gave a nonsensical claim that clashes with confirmed town TM's. Confirmed lying role. I am inclined to think Tanner/Minion (note that lynching the Tanner causes the wolves to win, so from a town perspective those two roles are mostly the same) because it seems like an unnecessary risk to take as wolf, but there is no real way to resolve this without invoking WIFOM.

LuckyOwl: claimed to be a PI who became a Tanner. Confirmed lying role. This one is pure WIFOM - is it a wolf claiming tanner to avoid being lynched or a tanner double bluff? I don't really buy that the claim was an honest mistake by someone who still thought they were town - you'd expect LO to claim a target in that case. In addition the claim is contradicted by Secretdorf.

Secretdorf: Claimed Apprentice Seer. Said Tanner is in the middle. If Secretdorf is town this rules out the possibility of either of the above players being tanners, although note that they could still be bad lynches if they are a minion/a robber who swapped a minion. Is a lying role if NQT isn't.

NQT: Also claimed Apprentice Seer, seeing Alpha Wolf in the middle. Is a lying role if Secretdorf isn't.

FoU: Unclaimed. His claim should clear things up and allow for more analysis.

Do the werewolves know who their partners are or just what their role is?