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Joint damage seems to be momentum being passed through to the joint bodypart towards the upper body from the bodypart being hit, or if there is no joint the next regular bodypart in line.
The damage is measured against three material properties which were not used before: namely tensile, bending and torsion (for joint pull, bend and twist respectively).

The rest works like regular blunt damage calculation, so the the size of the joint bodypart will also determine how hard it will be to break.

Any tendons and ligaments will also receive a hit with the same kind of damage calculation. I think they get a size from their host joint bodypart but I'm not perfectly sure about that.

This is only from testing ingame so I can't really give any formulas, but this info should do if you just want to balance how strong or weak joints should be.

Not entirely sure what you mean by untreated and treated leather, but regular tanned leather is pretty useless for protection.

The type of 'leather armor' that was actually used was boiled leather, made through a different process than tanning. It was a hard substance, a bit like plastic. It would crack and could be run through but provided some protection from cuts and, due to the rigid form, would mitigate some blunt force. It did not really do anything to cushion blows the way cloth armor did though.
It was made into cuirasses, and possibly limb and head protection (evidence is a bit skimpy on that) and usually worn as an addition to mail armor. Some cultures also made a sort lamellar armor out of it. It seems to have no longer been used around the same time plate armor started to pick up development. I recall there were some indications the boiled leather would easily wear and crack over time which may have made it expensive due to frequent replacement, and would explain why commoners aren't really depicted wearing it.

And from various tests I have read/seen, gambesons did offer some resistance to stabs, especially if its from a broad point or if the thrust does not hit at a dead angle.

Another thing to note is that padded or leather armor that might not always have completely turned a blow, but might still have turned a fatal hit into a survivable one. Medieval medicine was not great, but shallow wounds could be treated whereas organ damage and dismemberment were a lot harder.

For realistic-ish gameplay, you could give the leather armor a higher resistance edged attacks, and cloth some advantage against blunt damage.

I suppose that's one way to do it.

I would miss being able to bite someone's nose off in adventurer mode but it seems like a fair trade-off in general, what with cats and children no longer incapacitating fully armored warriors.

The reason why the eggshells is a problem isn't because "You end up having to be too careful" but because it hits another form of racism I like to call "White people being insulted FOR another culture without actually asking if they were even insulted".

Reminds me about some indignant outcry that happened in the US about a Chinese history-inspired movie starring some Western actor. I think it was Matt Damon, the guy who's somewhat expressionless mugshot is always ends up become the movie poster. There was some shouting on social media, name calling in the direction of Damon, white people in general, the movie writer, director, financiers... until it turned out the movie was financed by Chinese businessmen, who specifically commissioned Damon as the lead.

Because apparently the Chinese audience really likes Matt Damon movies. They see domestically made movies as kind of mundane and even second rate, and to them Damon acting out their (here highly fictionalized) history was a form of recognition and prestige. And of course, good money could also be made as the Chinese audience is really mindbogglingly large.

A huge deal was made out of something that was only a problem for a very small number of people: The ethnically Chinese/east-Asian American actors who felt they got snubbed. It does suck that they are stuck playing sidekick forever, but the whole 'cultural appropriation' narrative that got stuck to the story and printed out in various news outlets turned out to be complete rubbish and probably made us look a bit stupid to the people 'we' thought we were defending.

Translating them literally would just end you up with something like 'sword, sword, axe, spear, etc'. Naginata apparently means 'mowing hatchet' which sounds fun, but doesn't really bring to mind the right image.

Descriptive names can work, but might end you up with a bunch of weapons all called just 'sword'. Making them detailed descriptive names is also generally not a great idea, as you end up with really long and silly names like 'curved pole-mounted sword'.

Enemy Post's idea could work, beside that all I think of to make things look a bit more at home is to give entities weapons from a single culture, for instance by separating them between Japanese, Chinese, Nepalese, Central-Asian and Indo-Persian stuff. Then you can name things like 'japanese spear' or 'mongolian saber'. Alternately, if you want to avoid real-world names entirely you could go for 'islander spear' or 'nomad saber'. Not sure how you can force the islanders to actually settle only islands though.

Alternately, you can just embrace the messiness and add some in-game descriptions through dfhack.

Wait, MLP is banned? We have several MLP-themed dwarf fortress mods in the modding section...

Quote from: Roses on October 07, 2016, 04:02:38 pm

I have seen instances where I blunt attack breaks a bone and the subsequent injuries are treated as a piercing attack (edged attack really since there are only the two) but usually that information is included in the combat log. Maybe since it was a toe nail it didn't warrant a combat log report? I suppose it would be worth checking if the nail could do the damage to the skin you are seeing.

I'm still thinking about this.  It seems unlikely that the nail damage was hidden from the combat log.  I say this because hair typically has this pattern.  Damage to hair is typically not ever reported via the combat log.  My understanding is that this is triggered by the HAIR_TEMPLATE having [COSMETIC].  The NAIL_TEMPLATE does not have this attribute. 

While nothing I just said is hard evidence, it suggests to me that something more interesting is going on.

If I remember correctly, strand-like layers with a material with [IMPACT_STRAIN_AT_YIELD:50000] or higher will be ignored combat-wise, its not just not reported but remains undamaged entirely. This is how the ridiculous invincible 'walking hair' zombies happened.

Ah that would explain it, I'm running DF from a regular old harddrive. Also fixed my bogus image link...