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Dwarf-centric fallacy?Well, it would fit for humans to have harder time creating certain metals and such. Would require better smelting techniques and fuel. Still not sure it would fit the game. Takes too long, most games (mine atleast) will end up with humans on copper age. And with the populations in the game, it wouldn't be realistic. But that could be changed.
Oh, and change expect to except. Not to give you a hard time, it's just wrong enough to be jarring in your generally excellent grammar.Thank you. I have some of these random words in my writing that looks like the word but I actually always type the wrong one. Such as expirience. Expect Im sure I wont remember to type except
But things such as new, stronger metals are practical, and that is largely what we are talking about here.Assuming you know that iron is stronger than copper, there is nothing that restricts you to copper, expect the higher temperature required to smelt the ore. And dwarves should have some experience with metals, living inside mountains and all that.
Yeah, I've heard of those. All Roman inventions, but those are inventions based on science, they are not itself science. Engineers etc. use science to invent things, and researchers update and research science. Scientific theories alone aren't really practical, but can be used to create solutions to problems and innovations. Innovations usually pass on to new generations without being written in down, but if quantum physics are not written down, they are lost quite fast without any proper scientific education. And having paper actually helps there too.Evolving tech levels shouldn't be in cause well, their science doesn't really advance as the things aren't written up(Well, I haven't never seen E=MC^2 in the engravings, neither I've seen any paper being produced). Dwarves are kinda like Romans in that way, good engineering, some innovations, but not much scientific progress. I think it could be blamed on the alcohol also!no, any technological innovation comes from the experiance of the dwarves, who can now handle making more difficult products.Yep. The way I see it, dwarves are great manufacturers and engineers, but they really don't seem to record any scientific progress, which would kinda be required for advanced physics and things like electricity and steam engines.
Are you saying that it shouldn't be in because it's not in?
Ever heard of the aquaduct, many medical and surgical tools, the cesarean section, fast drying cement, reinforced concrete, the military camp/military construction procedures (such as Ceasar's bridge across the Rhine), the grid system of city planning, the professional army (not sure on this one, but they certainly developed it (particularly Marius)), much of many modern legal systems, satire, &, etc., NB, PS, Curriculum Vitae, Senator, Republic, Plebeian, Prefect, President, Legal, Penal, Judge, Judicial etc., the Julian Calendar, the seven day week, Christmas, Christianity, door locks, pedestrianised areas, the pavement, the census, central heating, the apartment block, the public newspaper, the sock, a variety of trumpets, the umbrella, the public toilet, various cosmetics, candles (edible ones), the mangle, scissors, the magnifying glass, different left and right shoes, the bikini, the shower, the public spa, pool, gym, library etc., the postal system or street lighting? They were all Roman inventions. Do you think that those who developed the wheel or other such developments wrote it down? It is quite possible for science such as metalworking to advance without writing.
Ah...That's what I was saying all the time. Or they do engrave stuff down, but that is images of events and history, maybe innovations, but not physics theories.
Isn't that a form of saying 'It's not supported, so it shouldn't be supported'? If technical advancement were added, and logically required writing, wouldn't they be added at the same time?
That's what I was saying all the time. Or they do engrave stuff down, but that is images of events and history, maybe innovations, but not physics theories.Evolving tech levels shouldn't be in cause well, their science doesn't really advance as the things aren't written up(Well, I haven't never seen E=MC^2 in the engravings, neither I've seen any paper being produced). Dwarves are kinda like Romans in that way, good engineering, some innovations, but not much scientific progress. I think it could be blamed on the alcohol also!no, any technological innovation comes from the experiance of the dwarves, who can now handle making more difficult products.Yep. The way I see it, dwarves are great manufacturers and engineers, but they really don't seem to record any scientific progress, which would kinda be required for advanced physics and things like electricity and steam engines.
Are you saying that it shouldn't be in because it's not in?
So now you're saying they don't write anything down?
Evolving tech levels shouldn't be in cause well, their science doesn't really advance as the things aren't written up(Well, I haven't never seen E=MC^2 in the engravings, neither I've seen any paper being produced). Dwarves are kinda like Romans in that way, good engineering, some innovations, but not much scientific progress. I think it could be blamed on the alcohol also!no, any technological innovation comes from the experiance of the dwarves, who can now handle making more difficult products.Yep. The way I see it, dwarves are great manufacturers and engineers, but they really don't seem to record any scientific progress, which would kinda be required for advanced physics and things like electricity and steam engines.
Are you saying that it shouldn't be in because it's not in?
no, any technological innovation comes from the experiance of the dwarves, who can now handle making more difficult products.Yep. The way I see it, dwarves are great manufacturers and engineers, but they really don't seem to record any scientific progress, which would kinda be required for advanced physics and things like electricity and steam engines.
you can treat the disease, or you can treat the symptoms.Well, you diagnose the patient based on symptoms and then treat the disease if you want to get rid of it, cause pain pills to treat headache caused by brain tumor is stupid.
Any sort of cure would just seem like garbage, unless you hardcoded the cure, or, you made some very tight restrictions about what cured the disease. Like a spider bite needs spider antivenin, and the chicken pox needs chicken nuggets.Maybe not hardcoded cures, but coded anyways. Anti-venom against venoms, made from the venom. Chickweed cream, yarrow or vinegar for chicken pox, dunno if the nuggets work. Aloe vera on burns, many herbs that relieve chronic pain, such as opium and cannabis. Also many herbs that can be used as anti-depressants and Garlic can be used as antibiotic, and so on.
You say that having the dwarves "know" the cure is unrealistic, but so is any sort of research they would do. Essentially they'd either stand around for a fixed period of time at a desk until they "knew" the cure, or they would run around the fortress to find new things to rub on their sick patients.Well, without chemistry, it sure is hard to come up with some medicines, but expirementing helps! It might be common knowledge that anti-venom a works against venom a, but diagnosing venom a requires medical research on the symptoms or the causes of the venom a. So instead of just letting people to die to venom a, you let unicorn bite goblin and study the effects of unicorn venom on goblins, etc.
whereupon they ate any elven traders that walked near
