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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 18, 2010, 11:17:10 am »


So it sounds like the estimates range frmo 50,000 gallons / day, to 210,000 gallons / day, and someone else here suggested that it was actually 50,000 barrels per day but I don't know if that was really a thing.

Can anyone link to someplace that has an estimate from BP at least? We can assume that it would be no less than that, in any case, but that it could be much more. And then an estimate from some environmental organization, to give us an unreliable estimate on the high end?
If BP's siphon is getting 1000 barrels per day, this is a pretty bad leak.

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However, there is a question as to the volume of the leak. BP still maintains an estimate of 5,000 barrels (210,000 gallons) of oil per day, based upon surface observations. Dr. Steven Wereley, an associate professor of mechanical engineering has calculated the flow to be more on the order of 70,000 barrels (2.94 million gallons) of methane and oil per day, based upon direct observations from the larger pipe opening. According to him, though the leak shows methane being released in addition to the oil, the oil by far appears to be the majority of material being ejected. If Wereley is correct, BP is underestimating the leak by a factor of 14, and will actually be containing little of the oil eruption through its siphoning plan.

I am pretty certain it is in the 10s of thousands of barrels a day.  The 50,000 was just my conjecture, though others have floated that number.


Upon careful research, I find it's only US Gulf of Mexico rigs that have never had an accident of this kind.

You just beat me to it by a few seconds :)
That's a very different beast from what you originally said though, sir.  Making a delineation between US spills and other spills is rather specious as well.  BP is a British company, and Transocean swedish.  The same equipment is used in the north sea as that used here. The rig that sank was built in South Korea.  The difference is only this: to whom do the tax dollars go?  This just happens to be the first gulf spill the US govt. had a regulatory hand in.(which reinforces Aqizzar's earlier argument)  It is not the first gulf spill that United States based employees have overseen.  It gets to be a rather specious argument.


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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 18, 2010, 08:36:23 am »
Just out of idle curiousity, has the spill reached Exxon Valdez proportions yet?
We're almost certainly well past it.  That was only 250,000 barrels.

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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 18, 2010, 08:35:05 am »
I mean that there has never been a spill. Didn't I say specifically that there has never been a spill? There has never been an accident of this type, and there are no known contributing factors to what we're seeing.

That's not true either.
Ixtoc I
Kab 101
Ekofisk Bravo

The oil field is full of mistakes.  This is not isolated.  I'm not saying this isn't horrendous;  just that this is by no means unique.


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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: May 18, 2010, 08:28:56 am »
I have to take my new car back to the dealership already. When I go above 30mph, the front passenger wheel starts to sound like a helicopter rotor, and my steering wheel vibrates so badly it's a bit hard to hold on to.

I have been sold a lemon.  8)

You just need to get the wheel balanced, most likely.

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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 18, 2010, 08:19:55 am »
Edit:  If that post was a joke, then I'm sorry, disregard the rest of what is said.  I assumed it wasn't in light of the posts that followed it.

Considering that this has never happened before, and that there is no known cause and there are no known contributing factors, it's quite reasonable to investigate sabotage.

Umm.... WHAT?  You may live on the coast,  but that doesn't mean that you know what you're talking about.  Offshore rigs have sunk numerous times in history;  we have had NUMEROUS blowouts, both on and offshore.  I personally know 2 people that have died in blowouts.

Here's a few things to back this up:
2001- World's then largest offshore rig sinks, 10 people killed
Last week, an offshore rig sank
Another one, in 2001

The list goes on and on.  This is not an isolated incident.  Offshore drilling is just as fraught with perils as land drilling;  unfortunately, the stakes are much higher offshore.  This means that an offshore rig failing has a much higher impact than on land.

And BP being the only one that doesn't use that type of preventer...  I don't have a whole lot of experience offshore specifically,  so I can't comment directly.  However, I will say that BP, in my experience, has a much higher safety standard than most.  The company I am working for RIGHT NOW has dropped their bids on contracts solely because BP got involved,  and that increased our safety overhead.


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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 17, 2010, 03:23:26 pm »
I love that the only thing they've really done so far is to continue drilling for oil and send lawyers in to limit their liability.

Or is there something else?
Not really.  There isn't much they can do at this point.  Everything they try (other than the relief wells) is pretty much just for PR at this point.  They just want to look busy.  The relief wells are the ONLY permanent fix here.

Possibly not the biggest spill, but I suspect it will have one of the largest economic impacts. Seriously, even with the dead zone, the gulf provides HUGE amounts of seafood to the USA, it's a heavily populated coastal region, and it will affect the livelihood of millions.

At the very least, I'm glad people are at least seeing it this way, even if it were not true.  Here's hoping for some of that CHANGE we were promised.

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General Discussion / Re: Dio is dead
« on: May 17, 2010, 01:06:44 pm »
FUCK!

Edit:  I really can't think of anything else to say.  That's a really big bummer.

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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 17, 2010, 01:05:03 pm »
A bit more info for everyone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_spill#Largest_oil_spills

Not to say this isn't a horrid horrid thing and that BP/Anadarko/Transocean/Halliburton aren't bad people.

Just that things are, overall, way worse than you realize.

So... that's basically saying we're about to surpass the largest spill ever in terms of barrels... right?

(50,000 barrels/day)(27 days) = 1,350,000 barrels thus far.


Edit: well, if their estimates are correct:

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

Personally, I'm leaning more toward the 50,000 barrel per day number.    There's still stuff jammed in the well, there are makeshift patches and wreckage, etc. 

It could become the biggest,  but this is by no means the Tsar Bomba of oil spills.  We've been doing this fairly regularly for the past 50 years.

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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 17, 2010, 12:44:19 pm »
A bit more info for everyone:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oil_spill#Largest_oil_spills

Not to say this isn't a horrid horrid thing and that BP/Anadarko/Transocean/Halliburton aren't bad people.

Just that things are, overall, way worse than you realize.

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I REALLLY want this workable in Linux.

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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 17, 2010, 08:21:25 am »
Chunks of rubber in the drilling fluid actually aren't a big deal-- that just means that the motor at the bottom of the string was wearing out.  That's a VERY common occurrence.  It may or may not have been from the BOP.

The 'go faster go faster' bit isn't an issue either.  that's going to do nothing but damage the drill string-- a drill string that was not, and had not been, in use for quite a while when the problems occurred.   You use one string of tools to drill, then another to lay pipe and cement, which is what they were doing when the big nasty happened.

Leaving tools in the hole is bad,  but again had nothing to do with what happened.  That's a common occurrence too.

The damage to the Blowout Preventer though.....  that was a major fuckup.  This dude is unlikely to ever work in the oil field again for opening his mouth.  Putting weight on the drill string while that was closed....oopsidaisy!

The 'company man' for the well's owner is always the person in charge.  That chest-bumping thing is silly.

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General Discussion / Re: There's a Hole in the Bottom of the Sea
« on: May 14, 2010, 10:21:10 am »
The gulf has been pretty well boned from nitrogen runoff via the Mississippi river for quite some time. 


This oil spill is like shooting someone that has Ebola.


I'm rather  glad this has happened, to be honest.  If the backlash gets strong enough,  we might finally see some real governmental incentive in renewable energy.

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DF Dwarf Mode Discussion / Re: Gem Windows
« on: May 14, 2010, 10:10:54 am »
-sigh-

Of course.

A gem window has been toppled by a giant desert scorpion.
A gem window has been toppled by a giant desert scorpion.
A gem window has been toppled by a giant desert scorpion.
A gem window has been toppled by a giant desert scorpion.


Perhaps the one time I have ever savescummed. Thankfully I saved right after I finished building my windows... Now I need to find some way to protect them though.

double channel out the land next to them?

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: No water source - not a single drop
« on: May 14, 2010, 10:08:21 am »
Is this in the new version?  caverns usually have water.


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