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DF General Discussion / Re: Dwarf Fortress in Runescape
« on: April 29, 2010, 04:31:26 am »
Runescape just earned three levels of respect from me, bringing it to a total of two levels of respect.
Wow, yours is in the positive end of the scales???
After hearing from ALL my friends giving the same excuse for not wanting to try X Games. The excuse being, 'But you can do that in Runescape...' Runescape is still in the Negatives for me, prob will be for a Long Long time. But it did just get plus 1 or 2 points for me aswell...
So you dislike it because it's a varied and robust engine? I'm sure there are plenty of good reasons to dislike runescape, but that really doesn't strike me as one.

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If you're having fun with the fortress you're playing now, you may as well finish it off first.

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DF General Discussion / Re: DF causing new MacBook Pros to overheat?
« on: April 28, 2010, 02:33:43 am »
This discussion got me thinking: wouldn't it be better to vent the heat through the screen side of the laptop? That side's usualy exposed to the outside freely and thus you get a lare surface area to transfer heat through, as well as free convection. Ofcourse then you'd need to put the heat-generating components in the standing side, completely inverting the normal desing.
This is done to some extent, but you can't really fit a big enough fan.
I don't know where you still see major desktop use by programmers. It's partly true for the office environment (white-collar megacorps with massive internal IT depts), but most people working from home or contracting uses a laptop these days -- and the others are certain to at least own a laptop. It's far too limiting to use a desktop in a team and impractical for other mobile roles (e.g., consulting/analyst, client support). At the job I took straight out of school, before I started doing remote conferencing, half of the 11 programmers (including me) had their laptops out at meetings, and two or three others routinely left it at their desk.

Of the 3 groups I listed, I would actually presume programmers rank the lowest. Xcode is a very smooth IDE, but does not compare to VS. But it isn't rare, and when the rest of the company uses Macs for their work, it isn't uncommon to find a complete Mac shop, including the programmers.

'Engineers'... OSX is actually the anathema of CAD users IME. But papers (for household/business construction blueprints) are often done from home, and I have met a few independent contractors who carried around a MB for their other work.
'Modelers'... OSX actually carries huge weight in the 3D modeling community. Heavier 3D modelers don't use MPBs (or laptops generally as you point out), because it doesn't carry the Quadro/FirePro lines, and (more commonly the issue) the processors have traditionally been behind the curve. But MBPs aren't unusual in small game development shops or for other lighter weight applications, and of course on college campuses. I see a number of designers carrying a secondary laptop for simple prototypes and quick work, or just ease.
'Design'... UML, graphics, layouts/documents, charts, websites. Needs no explanation. Very popular in this category.
'Artists'... Almost everything OSX had was ported long ago to Windows, but it still appears dominant among digital graphics/paint artists. (I need to ask one of them Why? someday.)
'Editing'... OSX rules again in this category (and in film). But you are right about film using the desktop (and render farms) AFAIK. I don't know why I wrote that. I really meant video editing, not film producing or CGI. As for sound, I think this needs no explanation -- it's just better, and doesn't always require a desktop. I would guess desktop is far more common for (professional) video editing however.
Fair enough. I took it as you saying that it was a major choice of primary workstation. There are indeed plenty of people who have laptops, and solid handful pick up macbooks as secondary computers. It also occurs to me that most studios have one kicking around somewhere to make presentations on.

I have only ever seen Macbooks of any model being used by casual users as fad items. Of course, that's just around here (silicon valley). Other major technological centers may be different. I suppose it's entirely possible that Apple has some ungodly amount of inexplicable penetration into the Indian industries, but that seems extremely unlikely to me. The Indians normally like more for their money.
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1 out of 15-20 doesn't actually sound too far off to me in general, I suppose. But they become exponentially less common the more you get into advanced computer usage. Note that there may be a disproportionate amount of people around here that you would consider abnormally rich - it's a fairly wealthy area, in spite of everything. Silicon Valley is still the biggest tech center in the west, in terms of both innovation and cashflow, and will remain so for the foreseeable future.

Except, MBPs are not 'fad' items. It's a workstation. Used by artists, programmers, engineers. Graphics, modeling, design, (film/sound) editing, you name it. Anyone who thinks MBPs are used primarily by casual users is seriously out of touch with reality. And no, I don't own one.
And you'd think the same for a..microwave. When I look at mac and I see people who are "artists" etc I don't see why they don't use a actual laptop that has more power for buck and will do the same job. Mac seems to me as the "go-to" for people who do things other than game and I have no idea why...most people I know or see(Note: I don't know many people..thanks DF!)  like Macs because they look good.
[spoiler]I think you are looking at this from the entirely wrong perspective. The average person does not overly care about hardware performance; and of those who do, a 10-20% drop is generally acceptable for the benefits OSX brings. If Linux were proven 20% faster for general usage patterns (read: not gaming), would you switch? Most would not; Windows is what they know. It's not even technically OSX itself that attracts specialists -- it's the software (a lot of it) that has no functional equivalent in Windows.
[/quote]So far as I know, the 20% faster thing is out of date and was based on Apple's own data even when it was new.

As far as software, could you give specific examples? I think that most everything has a Windows equivalent these days.

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DF General Discussion / Re: An open letter to Toady
« on: April 27, 2010, 03:32:51 am »
I concur. This game is still in development, and if changes are helpful which momentarily inconvenience current users, it's no big deal. We'll get over it.

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DF General Discussion / Re: DF causing new MacBook Pros to overheat?
« on: April 27, 2010, 03:28:47 am »
So, let's do a comparison, how hot do the internals of your computer/laptop run?
Well, my netbook runs pretty damn hot, actually. HP is notorious for that. Though my fan is also 2000RPM, so I don't know how it compares to the MBP.

I think the best way to put this is this: They put looks over functionality. I got a new kitchen built and the designer gave me a microwave...without guess what? Buttons to input time..no no no I have to press a button to change the time..it goes up in increments of 30..then it goes 1 minute increments after 2:30 and Its got 900 watts...thanks thats so easy because not many instructions have "900 watts" on them..
Except, MBPs are not 'fad' items. It's a workstation. Used by artists, programmers, engineers. Graphics, modeling, design, (film/sound) editing, you name it. Anyone who thinks MBPs are used primarily by casual users is seriously out of touch with reality. And no, I don't own one.
This is entirely counter to my experience. Programmers and engineers basically always use desktops, and occasionally carry netbooks for when away from their main machine(s). Film and sound editing always use desktops, as do modeling. "design" is a vague enough term as to have no specific meaning so I'm not sure what you mean here. I don't know any artists who use computers in their work (only online acquaintances) and thus cannot say how accurate that one is.

However, of the people who work in computer-oriented industries, most folks use desktops primarily, and laptops sparingly and not at all. Most are manufactured HP, Acer, or sometimes Dell. Independents tend to have rigs they've built themselves. They run predominantly Windows, but occasionally Linux.

I have only ever seen Macbooks of any model being used by casual users as fad items. Of course, that's just around here (silicon valley). Other major technological centers may be different. I suppose it's entirely possible that Apple has some ungodly amount of inexplicable penetration into the Indian industries, but that seems extremely unlikely to me. The Indians normally like more for their money.

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DF General Discussion / Re: DF causing new MacBook Pros to overheat?
« on: April 27, 2010, 12:40:33 am »
Kind of annoyed with the general flamebait towards mac users in this forum... I use macs at work and home and play DF with no problems.   I'm generally assuming at this point that the people putting them down, besides making generalizations about mac, have probably never even owned one.
Dwarf Fortress being what it is, it tends to attract intelligent and computer-savvy people who have very little* love for aesthetics and branding, and often more practically oriented. Many of these people don't necessarily know (or, in many cases, care) when it would be more polite to remain silent on a given subject. So you get things that the average Mac user (or even a Mac User capable of enjoying DF) could consider "Flame Bait"
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And close reading reveals the following from the article:

To test our suspicions further we booted into Windows (hooray for Boot Camp) and watched what happened when the CPU was loaded to full. Using CPUID Hardware Monitor to show temperatures, we fired up a copy of Dwarf Fortress. This is a single threaded game that uses rudimentary graphics and hardcore algorithms to create a world from scratch. We set Dwarf Fortress up to create a large region with 2500 years of history then sent it to work.


AND THEY COULD PROBABLY RIGHT CLICK OMG?!? MACS ONLY HAVE ONE MOUSE BUTTON>
Nobody is talking about the OS here. The OS is, in fact, totally irrelevant to this discussion, as the dual booting in fact proves. What's relevant is the hardware, that is, the physical machine that Apple built.

*compared to the general population, of course.

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DF General Discussion / Re: DF Illustrated
« on: April 24, 2010, 04:18:55 am »
Urist McChrist, how many threads have been on this already?
Eleven, last time I saw a number. That would make twelve now.

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DF General Discussion / Re: What happened to ratmen?
« on: April 24, 2010, 03:37:17 am »
I would like to know why frogman are now amphibian man.

Because theres more than one type of amphibian-men (aside from Olmmen which get their own species for some reason), just like lizardmen are now reptilemen.

Actually their description directly states that they look like frogs. 'Amphibianman' sounds a lot more sinister than 'frogman' though.

Yeah, me too. I liked them because there were Ratmen in Majesty and I really liked that game, and in the expansion the Ratmen were at war against the Goblins and I always tried to help the Ratmen, because they liked to live in my sewers, so I sort of considered them my people, even though they didn't pay taxes and tended to commit a lot of crimes.
Yeah, i love Majesty too. That's a cool way to think of the ratman/goblin conflict.
Too bad they kinda messed them up for the sequel...
Yes, too bad :(
Hey, there was some decent stuff in the sequel. Houses actually corresponding to peasant numbers, more synergy with classes and religions. More dynamism in the character models.

Well, that's it really. But even though most of the changes aren't necesarily for the worst, the only thing that really messed with me was the changes to the elves. Even the omission of gnomes makes sense, because those guys were useless. But making the elves bland (and putting blue roofs in respectable areas) just messed with the setting too much for me.

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Actually steam things seem to die pretty easy. At least the steam - redacted - from the - removed - do.
They aren't made of steam, they're just full of it.

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Titans from good biomes are benevolent. That could be what you're seeing here.

Being made of steam, there's no way you'll be able to kill him. I'd build some sort of edifice around him.

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I'd help, but there are several artists on the forum much better than me (*cough* fault *cough* Deon *cough*)
By that Reasoning, only fault should ever post art. But then we'd have only one person's art, and as good as his stuff is, it's still inferior to the variety of a whole community.

Pic related, it's a dimple cup.

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ED's hostility tends to be focused on popular things. Relatively obscure things like DF only attract the real fans. So the articles are understandably nicer.
More than popularity, it's focussed on anyone/anything who acts as though they are entitled to something. Really, humility is what they value above all.

At least in my perception.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Awesome names thread
« on: April 24, 2010, 12:00:17 am »
My current founding group is named The Blowing Work.

I've had two artifact coffins, one named The Gates of Immortality and another The Fresh Stasis.
Those are the awesomest names for coffins I have ever heard.

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DF General Discussion / Re: Industrial vs Residential
« on: April 23, 2010, 11:48:55 pm »
I build everything in purposed layers: Entrance (with trade depot, finished goods stockpile, and a barracks and its auxiliary hospital/archery range), then a level for any flows, then a workshop level, then the stockpile level, then another flow level, then the Dining Hall, then a flow level, then residential, then a flow level, then a level for noble appointments. Used to be, I'd but tombs all the way at the bottom. In the new version, I stick them wherever they feel nice.

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DF General Discussion / Re: What happened to ratmen?
« on: April 23, 2010, 03:32:10 am »
Yeah, me too. I liked them because there were Ratmen in Majesty and I really liked that game, and in the expansion the Ratmen were at war against the Goblins and I always tried to help the Ratmen, because they liked to live in my sewers, so I sort of considered them my people, even though they didn't pay taxes and tended to commit a lot of crimes.

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