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Hatchets are useful, and maybe long daggers and clubs less so, but there should'nt be any restrictions with the consideration of the "usefulness" of carried secondary weapons if that dwarf has a preference for that type of weapon.

Something like a blackjack, a small leather bag filled with lead shot or rocks would be a cool thing for a Tax Collector to carry around.

Okay... I think that we've milked the Wal-Mart cow for all it's worth.

In an attempt to re-rail the discussion: Today, I saw a T-shirt that said: "Capitali$m i$ $lavery! Workers of the world Unite!"

I honestly did not know that Marx had his own brand of merchandise.

Well, that revolutionary could have made it himself. I have a white T-shirt that says "SMASH CAPITALISM" that my girlfriend had made at one of those custom T-shirt places and gave to me as a gag gift.

Thats an interesting idea. It might backfire if dwarves decide to take the spear-laden-pet-killing hallways into the meeting area, though.

Tuatha could be the elves that have long ago aligned with the humans or dwarves from old conquests. Like the elves in conqured retreats that live in wooden buildings and use metal weapons and armor. They are still immortal and generally quite intelligent, but they lack the physical prowess for hard labor in the mines or forges, they seek employment as guards, soldiers and clerical work. They should be the equalivent of the "high elves" or generic stereotype fantasy elf. Thuatha could be an insult akin to "traitor" or "tree-killer" or something in the Elven toungue that these wood-chopping, city building, civilized elves adapted to themselves out of spite for their nature-worshipping hippy ancestors. They should'nt form their own nations, peferring to live in the midst of other races.

Sylvan: I dunno. Name sounds "elfy" though

Trowe: These should be the Dwarf Fortress elves we all know and love. I imagine these guys are like the 'Liberal Crime Squad' transplanted into a fantasy realm. They are very much in touch with nature, to the point of extremism. They can speak to and form alliances with the animalmen, and even lesser animals and as such do not draw distinctions between sentient, civilized, or simple creatures, nor do they see any reason why they should, all creatures being equal in the eyes of nature. A human soldier they shoot down with an arrow in war is just as likely to be cooked over a spit as a wild deer bagged on a hunting trip. They are protective of nature, they consider the death a tree, with its long life span to be a signifcant loss, while animals with shorter lifespans to be porportionally less valuable. Since they are immortal, they look down just about everyone else and consider their culture the only one that makes sense or aligns with nature. They trade with other races and are generally friendly, if not overly condensending, like hippies, but can become aggressive and single-minded about transgressions against their ideals, like hippies. To them, if humans stick to their barren wasteland grasslands and dwarves to their mud and rocks, they are perfectly content.

Svart: Name makes me think of those Gaul, Celt or Germanic tribes from back in the day. Stark-naked and painted blue from head to toe screaming like mad-men weilding a two-handed sword. At a bit of a loss thinking up of multiple types of elves that are distinct enough to not just be lumped into one of the above.

Then again these are just rough ideas.

Well, people in the middle ages frequently carried daggers, or rather dirks/ rondels for self defense. These are not like little daggers so much as shortswords. If you google pictures of medeval stonemasons, they all had these 18 inch long blades tucked in their belt as they labored. It was a status symbol of the equalvent of the middle-class back then. Since Peasants and farmworkers often carried worktools like sickles or handaxes for protection.

Hatchets make sense for dwarves, so long as military dwarves don't consider them axes and pick up a dinky hatchet instead of a battleaxe. Human merchants and the such should carry long daggers. Maybe have more weapons for more jobs. A metalsmith, mason, engraver, stonecrafter or the DM should carry a hammer as part of their job to break rock that happens to double as something that can break bones.

Nobles should certainly carry weapons, even if they are simply ceremonial or carried as status symbols. Nobles in IRL carried swords and trained with them. Maces are renown status symbol of authority that have carried on today in the form of the nightsticks police carry.

Nobles should carry a slightly fruity, more specialized weapon like a sword or mace, to distingush themselves from the dirty commoners with their axes and hammers.

I'd figure the demon is mocking you by making a little show of whispering in your ear about how evil the Gnomes are.

Like a sarcastic joke. After all, the only thing stronger then a demon's fire ball attack, is his sense of irony.

I'm not so sure about the last two...

Dwarf: standard mountain dwarf

Dwarrow: wilder hill dwarves (closer to the earth? gypsy magic?)

Deurgar: there should be some kinda evil dwarf race (white skin and black beard?)

Demiurg: some kinda forigner Indian-looking race (the sikhs have nice beards)


The Dwarrow should be the Dwarves that just don't live in a proper mountain biomes. They build their settlements out in the hills, plains, forests, swamps and deserts, Humie cities, whatever. Crusty, shitkicking, rebellious, rural farmer types. They are at home wherever a pickaxe can turn the earth and are satisfied with the fruits of the labor their calloused hands produce from the soil or bedrock... Their labor and their work assures their prosperity no matter where they strike the earth. (So wondering gypsy/ viking nomad types, yeah, just that they carve out proper bedrooms and stockpiles wherever they decicde to settle for the next few decades.)

Deurgar: they could be something like the "Deep Dwarves" or "Dark Dwarves" that are popular round here and have completely adapted to a very hostile enviroment deep underground. They worship demons and gods of wealth and military cunning. Pasty skinned, cave-adapted, dark beards and soul-less cataracts on their eyes that have typically seen nothing but "darkvision/ infrared" all of their lives. Perhaps they are the forgotten ancestors of teams sent into the seemingly bottomless pits sent to bring gold and wealth to their mountainhomes but were never to be heard from again. With this mission in mind, the dwarves dug into the riches of the underworld and produced, but with no contact with the world besides the hellish residents of their current abode they adopted a militarist and smash-first-eat-later culture not unknown in traditional dorfen circles, In the lightless, evil enviroment these dwarves have trained their senses and minds to deal with horrors and sensory deprivation completely alien to other dwarves.

Demiurg: These are a subtype of enlightened and exceptional dwarves, mysteriously drawn from those dwarves in fey moods, or some say possessed by forces unknown. that live in the most isolated and hostile of lands. Perched high on the most isolated of mountain peaks or far within the interior of the barren glacier wastelands of the poles. They are a small faction of scattered dwarves, said to be sorcerers and possibly immortal dwarves. They speak in obscure or ancient toungues and weild magic without a second thought, they might wear the uniforms of the soldiers from ancient armies and the expeditions perished in their harsh environes or wear the artifacts of long-forgotten kings.... (These Dwarves might somehow draw mass migration into their hostile hellholes to create a settlement... for reasons unknown to all but them)



Or something. The Demiurg you outlined makes me think of the Afghan sorcerer or guide in the movie "The Objective" in that they live in the middle of nowhere in some cave, in terrifying/evil/ inhospitable biomes... not even a Dwarrow would consider settling in. Intentionally isolated and holding some contempt for the world they have traveled so far to escape so many decades ago.