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Alright, I looked through the dig deeper mod and didn't see any reference to THE HORDE. As I don't feel like installing it, what is THE HORDE?

I always store booze away from the magma. Fire snakes don't wander far from a magma source, storing booze 20 squares away or so is perfectly safe.

It's a lot of work carving up a body, it'd be easier to let them rot and maul anything getting back up before looting them and tossing the meat outside. Alternatively, if corpses ever become containers like in real life (ie socks not blowing off your feet when you die), it might be best to loot their armor before they get up again

Oh man, armored zombies. Bad ass

Carving up a body maybe, but having an axedwarf come by and behead all the corpses or even dismember all the limbs wouldn't take more than a few minutes. The only time this would be a real problem would be against sieges, where you may have far more corpses to dismember than you can before they start to rot.

This also may be a task to add to the butcher shop. Set up a new task "Butcher unbutcherable corpse" would break down a corpse into the bones and skull and keep it from rising, but would cause a HORRIBLE unhappy thought if this is done do a dwarf (that's cannibalism... that's the elves shtick).

It also may sit well if religion was implemented. Perhaps if the priest noble consecrates the grave the undead can't rise from it. Creating mass-graves for dead armies might be viable if you don't want the bones, or you can set up a pit for allowing the dead to rise and then mowing them down with siege weapons or training new recruits with them.

It's a fairly good suggestion.

It's true, they're worth about 10,000 to a caravan. I'd keep it though, you can't use it to vivisect your nobles but you can still have some "fun" with captured gobbos. Don't bother with deep pits, drop them in unarmed and let your hydra have fun. Lets you save 5 z-levels worth of pit.

Quote from: Grendus on July 19, 2009, 02:48:32 pm

I dunno. I hate the elves because they're arrogant little buggers who dictate lumber limits without trading anything remotely useful. If they brought some valuable magical trinkets, I might forgive their lumber limits (probably not, but I might). It also might make it more of a decision to piss them off rather than a given.

They're not that useless.

Elves are your only source for animals from outside your region.

If you're settled in a low-wood area, you lose nothing by playing ball with the Lumber Mafia.

They are also a source for aboveground plants and alcohol.  You can get those from the humans, but humans don't show up at every site -- they didn't show up on my current fort.

Quote from: Rowanas on July 19, 2009, 06:57:13 pm

I wouldn't want elven magic. dwarven runeshit is good enough for anyone. When magic comes in we're just going to whine about how they're shit at that as well (with good reason)

You hope.  If Toady decides that elves have magic and dwarves don't, not even modding will let you give dwarves the superiority you think they deserve.  Workshops are hard-coded, and so is the mix of things traders will offer.

By the way, I suspect Elven magic depends on the health of forests, which is why they are so determined to deprive other races of beds and fuel....  (Think of the poor humans.  They don't dig, so they need to use lumber for the things dwarves use stone for.  They also can't access magma.)

Elves always bring me crippled animals, which are useless for guard duties, and never in breeding pairs so I can't even wait a few years to have guard-cougars. I suspect magic will change things though, I really do. Even if dwarf magic is fairly strong, I think the reason Toady made the elves so weak was because he intended to put them on par with dwarves and humans when the magic arc is developed.

And I'm fairly certain humans can dig. They prefer to live aboveground (which is true to real life), but in theory they mine for minerals. I've seen human towns with dug cisterns, and seen screenshots of human castles made of stone. Humans don't use magma or steel because in the time period the game is set in humans haven't discovered them, or mechanics. In DF dwarves are the most technologically advanced race, with humans as a fairly close second and elves trailing behind goblins and even kobolds.

I could see stone cudgels being like rock shortswords (only not steel quality, maybe copper since they'd be easy to make). Strap a heavy rock to the end of a long stick, you've got yourself a mace. Not exactly a precise weapon, but it can crack a skull easily enough.

So I modded in a reaction to make wooden maces from the smelter. The reaction takes a wooden log and creates a wooden mace from the standard mace template. The problem is every time my dwarves try to pick up and carry a wooden mace they walk incredibly slow, like the mace is very heavy. I tried this earlier with a modded cudgel weapon (a direct copy of the mace item just did less damage) and I had the same problem.

I'm relatively new to modding the raws, so I'm not sure if I missed something basic that would cause reaction items to be incredibly heavy. I haven't seen dwarves move this slow since I assigned an unskilled hauler to move a bin of steel bars to the trade depot.