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Its not really frozen, just let it go.  Windows may bitch about it not responding, but the game is still working on generating the world, it may just take a while.

Quote from: gtmattz on May 03, 2010, 12:16:36 pm

Cave-ins do not destroy rock at all...   Go actually try this and see for yourself. 

They do if you drop natural solid wall. Impact tile becomes wall, and it works same as obsidian encasing.

The rock is not destroyed tho.  Sometimes it is knocked out of the way, but if it is not knocked out of the way, if you mine out the dropped stone wall, the rock is accessible again, and the whole time is being tracked and is eating its little share of FPS.

Regardless, the example was dropping a constructed floor anyway.




OK, I got to thinking and was wondering if maybe I was off in my thinking so I did some science, and what I describe is exactly what happens.

My experiment consisted of digging out a 21x21 room and channeling a 1x1 hole in the center.  I designated a dumping zone next to this and proceeded to dump all the rock from mining out the room into the hole.  Then I set up to drop a 1x1x1 block into the hole with the 300+ stone in it.  Before dropping the rock I made sure my book keeper was at max precision and noted down 340 stones in my stocks menu.  Then I dropped the block into the hole and checked stocks and still had 340 stone.  K'ing over the dropped tile just showed rough stone, however the stones in the stocks menu, when zoomed to, all zoomed to the rock wall I had dropped.  I then channeled the rock back out, and all 340 rocks were back and accesible.

In short COLLAPSING STUFF ONTO STONES DOES NOT DELETE THEM, IT ONLY HIDES THEM FROM VIEW, THEY ARE STILL THERE.

By all means, if you do not believe me, try this out on your own (here is a copy of the save for my test even). But I stand by my words that the only way to truly eliminate stone is via the means I specified in my previous reply to this topic.

and anvils are cast, not forged

This.  It really saddens me that I am forced to have an anvil in order to make one, when all a dwarf really needs to do is grab an iron bar and use that!  Or even better, why cant the smelter spit out an anvil?  It already has the means to cast bars apparently, why cant it cast an anvil?

Elves don't usually live long enough to unpack in my experience XD

http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/

So, is THIS what an Elk Bird looks like? Cause damn, it should be.

That just looks like an owl with horns to me (great horned owl?).  I imagined an elk bird as looking more like an elkish version of a pegasus.

It will just add another called MEDIUM to the end of the list, so no real harm is done, other than causing some confusion as to which one is the custom one 

Since we now can dig into map edges

No we cant...


As for damming the river, My preferred method is to collapse a constructed floor through the riverbottom into a dug out chamber on the z level below which directs the water to a fortification edge drain with a raising bridge to block the drain.  When you collapse the floor it should punch through the river bottom and the water will then flow down through the edge drains and let the river dry out.  Then you can get into the riverbed and construct some walls or a raising bridge or whatever to dam the flow.  After that pull the lever to block the edge drain and your river will fill back up.

I personally split up my food into 3 stockpiles; Booze/liquids, Seeds, Prepared Meals,  Everything else.  The only stockpiles allowed barrels are the seed and booze stockpiles, the other 2 have barrels set at 0 so that all barrels are reserved for booze making.