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Curses / Re: Has anyone noticed...?
« on: August 24, 2011, 12:44:40 am »
I don't think DF elves are the same as Tolkien elves... Tolkien elves are tall, poetic and civilized, but I think DF elves are more like the gnomish variety. Just my mental image, though...

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General Discussion / Re: Tolkien orcs - all evil bastards or not?
« on: August 24, 2011, 12:37:01 am »
Orcs are degenerate elves that were tainted with Evil™.

So yeah.

Among about five other "origin of orcs" - stories from Tolkien, yeah.

In my opinion, one cannot forget the Christian element. Only one figure (Sauron) can be said to be a font of nothing but evil, -snip-

You're forgetting Morgoth, the guy who tainted Sauron.


In any case, in Tolkien's stories, evil forces are incapable of creation - Morgoth/Sauron cannot have *created* orcs from scratch. That doesn't rule out the tainted elf theory, though. However, someone pointed out that if orcs are elves, even fallen, they still wind up in Halls of Mandos if they die.

Then again, *why* do orcs fight on the side of the bad guys? My assumption is that they're the easiest of races to corrupt with promises of wealth and power, and the bad guys simply have a more interesting offer. If they genuinely believe that the world will become a better place if Saruman and Sauron win, then they're just misguided. If they do it just for fun, there could be orcs having fun against Sauron and Saruman as well.

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General Discussion / Tolkien orcs - all evil bastards or not?
« on: August 23, 2011, 03:14:09 pm »
I've been discussing this with a friend who, I must admit, knows his Tolkien better than I do but is also very fond of black-and-white morality which I detest. We can't reach an agreement on whether Tolkien orcs are inherently irredeemably evil or not. Help me find further insights on this.

Basically, I don't think LoTR or any other work by Tolkien mentions any orc that is not evil, while not explicitly barring the possibility of such orc existing either. On the other hand, I think there's plenty of stuff that hints that orcs may not be irredeemably evil. For example, orcs are capable of discipline, obeying hierarcy and even self-sacrifice. They are also fairly intelligent. Tolkien never wrote much about orcish societies - he even acknowledged this in a 1963 letter: ...in stories that seldom if ever see the Orcs except as soldiers of armies in the service of the evil lords we naturally would not learn much about their lives. Not much was known. What we know, though, is that the societies are advanced enough to produce weapons, armor and medicine of passable quality. Female orcs were also mentioned in the letter while they never (AFAIK) appeared in any stories by Tolkien, and thus it is left unclear what was their role in the orcish society, apart from bearing offspring.

Your thoughts?

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Also... Geen still seems to have one point left. I might've miscalculated the original points he had left...

Okay, here's yer purchases:

3 spraycans - 120$
Crowbar - 50$
Guitar - 200$
Molotov cocktail - 50$
6 revolvers - 900$
AR-15 - 350$
Katana - 250$
3 cheap suits - 1200$
3 trench coats - 210$
2 security uniforms - 600$
1 AK47 - 3000$

The LCS still has 4420$ 1420$ left, if you want to redefine your equipment.

For being such good customers, you receive the bonus of an American flag with a match taped to a corner for no extra charge. Don't even think about burning it though - that's a felony under your present flag laws! ;)

EDIT: Added the AK47, which is presumably kept at the Liberal safehouse

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DF Gameplay Questions / Re: The DF2010 Little Questions Thread
« on: August 23, 2011, 02:12:36 pm »
But you'll need charcoal (unless you have magma or other fuel) for metal bins, making it a bad deal...

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That begs the question- how strictly limited to what is possible in LCS are we limited?

Not at all. I'll give you Liberal Leeway in all directions.
(I also hope something cool you do may make its way to LCS ^^)

I'll be parsing your shoppings... new turn'll come tomorrow, I hope. I just made it home, where I have time for writing...

So, you'll be targeting Garments or the Lab? I'll give you the courtesy of allowing you to split between two sites if you want to.

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Other Games / Re: Dungeon Crawl: Stone Soup. Or: THAT DAMN SIGMUND.
« on: August 23, 2011, 02:07:24 pm »
The game does get a bit more interesting after that. In the very early game, you don't have access to many spells or much equipment/items, and don't even have a god yet.


Also what gets me I think is that you can't amass a nice collection of cool stuff you don't need and then sell it for $$$

There are extremely good reasons why the game doesn't let you sell goods at shops. It would encourage you to engage in the extremely tedious task of slogging every item in the dungeon to shops and sell them.
You can already sort of do this. It's just that instead of selling them to the shops, you sacrifice everything to Nemelex Xobeh for decks. Although the obscene amounts of weapons usually lands you a ton of destruction decks, which everyone hates.

That's different, for mainly three reasons:

1. Nemelex piety gain is EASY and piety drop is SLOW. One doesn't have to carry lots of useless junk simply to sacrifice it as soon as Nemelex is found, because piety is easily gained even without this.
2. Nemelex sacrifices are done on the spot, instantly, meaning you won't have to do annoying inventory management.
3. Nemelex sacrifice fodder consists of mainly two types: plentiful (weapons, corpses and armor, for example) and stuff you would carry with you anyway (potions and scrolls, for example)

I like destruction decks, in moderation. Easy piety by crushing orcs with them.

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Oh yeah, one more that may divide opinions a bit... The Simpsons. I liked the first seasons but the newer episodes are becoming more and more like generic comedy shows, I'm afraid. Not that it's all bad now, but it's lost the unique touch it once had.

Or maybe I've grown old and cynical.

No a lot of people have noted that.

The Early seasons focused on them being a family and indeed it was often what redeemed and episode wasn't because it was funny but because it was a legitimately good episode.

Later seasons focus on just being a huge farce and if an episode isn't funny then the episode most of the time wasn't worth watching anyway.

I think that they jumped the shark after they changed the title sequence.

I think they jumped the shark ages before that... This is probably the worst episode ever.

HEY GUYS! I HAVE AN IDEA! LET'S KILL HOMER'S MOMMY!

Hmm, good, but that's enough for only half an episode...

NO PROBLEM, I'LL JUST PUT SOME JAMIE BOND CRAP AFTERWARDS!

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General Discussion / Re: Things that made you sad today thread.
« on: August 23, 2011, 01:54:22 pm »
I think I have spyware that's using my computer to advertise a new game.
It keeps typing "new game please join the server help it grow!!" And then a website.
I'm running a spyware search, but in the meantime this is really annoying.

Use the process manager (ctrl-shift-esc on Windows) - if you're lucky, you'll get to identify the process and shut it down, at least for now.

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Other Games / Re: Games you wish existed
« on: August 23, 2011, 01:51:56 pm »
Well, that might explain it... I personally dislike stuff being "promoted" just to get neat numbers though, but that's Toady's choice.

Oh no.  All the CORE items are new.  I don't think any REQs got promoted (or if they did, it was very very few).

I'm not sure if making up completely new goals just to get neat numbers is any better, but again, case-by-case basis and Toady's choice...

Accidentally replaced my post.

Power Goals are another category entirely (and there's over 100 of them!).  The Core items are things that are considered to be essential to be completed before the game is considered "Version 1" and out of alpha/beta status.  Req and Bloat items are the bells and whistles, with Power Goals defining the direction: things that could happen and should be possible (giant books, being denied entry, cow rustling, having your followers desert you, etc.).

Doesn't really address my point in any way...

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Curses / Re: Heat and Community Service
« on: August 23, 2011, 01:47:52 pm »
It would be much faster to just surrender to the police and get off in a trial.  That will clear your heat immediately through the magical revolving door of liberal criminal justice forgiveness.
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Yup, best way to get out clean. Doesn't matter if you are accused of murder, arson and jaywalking, so long as you have 5000 bucks and a sleeper judge you are assured to be free. Imagine if worked just as easy in real life...

Not exactly. Neither the sleeper judge nor the Ace Attorney is foolproof, even if combined...

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Other Games / Re: Games you wish existed
« on: August 23, 2011, 11:26:23 am »
I did say I didn't mind whether it was ASCII or not. If it wastes more space, it could be good to be more economic.

Yeap, I was just pointing out that ASCII interface design is fairly hard...

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Other Games / Re: Games you wish existed
« on: August 23, 2011, 11:09:00 am »
Yep...

On the other hand, ASCII/other text-based is mainly a limited version of "normal" graphics, unless you consider being able to run directly in CLI environments (which DF can't, by the way). It's hard to design good text interfaces if you're doing anything complex. Simple economics - a single ASCII tile wastes a lot of space compared to "free pixels".

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Other Games / Re: Games you wish existed
« on: August 23, 2011, 10:53:31 am »
Well, that might explain it... I personally dislike stuff being "promoted" just to get neat numbers though, but that's Toady's choice.

Oh no.  All the CORE items are new.  I don't think any REQs got promoted (or if they did, it was very very few).

I'm not sure if making up completely new goals just to get neat numbers is any better, but again, case-by-case basis and Toady's choice...

Surprising how many specifically want ASCII/text interfaces... I always liked them myself but still.

It's simple. It's easy to program. It doesn't lag that much unless you are playing a really huge game like DF.

I meant that people prefer the stylistic choice... and, the first one is relative, the second one shouldn't concern most users and lag isn't a common problem in all non-text games.

It could be that we all like DF, and DF is made of ASCII graphics (Or ANSI, or some wizardry) so we associate that with DF, which is quality.

Many play DF with tiles. I personally don't, but many do... (and it's CP437, to be precise)

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Other Games / Re: Games you wish existed
« on: August 23, 2011, 10:49:46 am »
Surprising how many specifically want ASCII/text interfaces... I always liked them myself but still.

It's simple. It's easy to program. It doesn't lag that much unless you are playing a really huge game like DF.

I meant that people prefer the stylistic choice... and, the first one is relative, the second one shouldn't concern most users and lag isn't a common problem in all non-text games.

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