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Quote from: Kay12 on April 29, 2010, 07:00:37 am

Here's how I'd put science in C-L terms. Basically, conservative science means absolute "truths" while liberal science hails having the right to express new views, so long as it helps with solar power or solving world hunger. The Elite Liberal setting is that all knowledge is freely shared between people (like a broader Wikipedia) and everyone can expand on this common foundation. While Arch Conservatives would prefer a system where some douchebag just tells people why stuff happens.

C+: Science is a popularity contest.
C: The scientific community sells their opinions to the highest bidder.
M: Scientists are expected to qualify by certain ethical standards.
L: Neutrality and altruism are the cornerstones of scientific advancement.
L+: Science is open source.

While it is an interesting idea, I don't really think Liberals really want an 'open source' science. Such a science would promote global warming denialism and Intelligent Design, both hallmarks of the CCS. As well as more bizarre ideas such as the "Mutations are Good For You" nonsense seen in comic books.

I am used to the current system where all scientists are evil and immoral for supporting nuclear power and animal testing, even though it was scientists that support secularism and prove that pollution is bad for people.

But Wikipedia is comparable to open source and it is (accusedly) liberally biased. On the other hand, Conservapedia is similar too...

Maybe liberal science would still be open, but funded by government and non-profit organizations only, and instead of researching machines that pollute more to provide junk for the people, they create powerful wind turbines and increase harvest sizes for the poor (without GM naturally!).

Here's how I'd put science in C-L terms. Basically, conservative science means absolute "truths" while liberal science hails having the right to express new views, so long as it helps with solar power or solving world hunger. The Elite Liberal setting is that all knowledge is freely shared between people (like a broader Wikipedia) and everyone can expand on this common foundation. While Arch Conservatives would prefer a system where some douchebag just tells people why stuff happens.

C+: Science is a popularity contest.
C: The scientific community sells their opinions to the highest bidder.
M: Scientists are expected to qualify by certain ethical standards.
L: Neutrality and altruism are the cornerstones of scientific advancement.
L+: Science is open source.

I guess what really needs to happen, then, is for police units to be persistent, rather than abstracted like all other encounters

Indeed. It's a major flaw in the current raid system (in my opinion) that basically a half-decent persuader can go to the park, wander around (for hours IRL, no time at all in LCS) until (s)he has managed to get all the important conservatives to listen to him/her. This has, if I've understood correctly, been changed somewhat (only one CEO now), but in my opinion it would be even better if all the security personnel and important figures would be actually present on the site rather than being just a random occurrence. Upon the alarm, most of the security guards would obviously head for the last known location of the Liberals, while some would escort the Arch Conservatives out. If the Liberals manage to bag an Arch Conservative, (s)he'll be replaced in a month or two.

Glad you've enjoyed the LGWI topic, Chief. To address your Mac bit: Though I've never tried to play Liberal Crime Squad on a Mac, I checked the idea out on the LCSWiki. It says you can use... "wineconsole & curses backend." I'm not sure how to get that all to work, though; you're gonna need to hail down someone with more experience.

http://davidbaumgold.com/tutorials/wine-mac/ here's a tutorial for installing Wine on Mac. Haven't tried myself (I'm a Liberal Linux user). You could also try compiling it from source. If you're really desperate for the game, you'll do with I did when I didn't get DosBox to work with a program - download VirtualBox, get boot discs for some OS with binaries available... trains your computer skills too!

Quote from: Soadreqm on April 13, 2010, 03:52:33 pm

Bu... buh... BUT WHY DO WE EVEN HAVE SPECIFIC ISSUES IF WE CAN'T TARGET THEM!!? IT MAKES NO SENSE! AAAAAAAAAAAHH!!!

The general population also vote for politicans based on a random issue. The people choose a random issue to care about, and then vote for the politican they feel match that issue (so a person wanting L gay marriage will vote for a L politican).

As far as I know (I'm at work so I don't have time for source diving, as much as I'd like to) congressmen can be elected based on a single issue, but senator votes are based on multiple issues. A congressman can get enough votes by simply bashing animal testing but a senator has to appeal to a wider range of opinions.

Quote from: Kay12 on April 16, 2010, 07:58:06 am

(during my martial artist solo run I lost 500 wisdom during a single raid).

WOW, he lost 500 wisdom!  A true liberal indeed!

Yeah. He also lost potato intelligence which causes him to replace Rolls-Royce with other necrophilia. Boastingly enough, I happen to have the same banana peel.

Hrm. See my sig and tell me that it's easy to get stunlocked with just one liberal... however, to be precise, if you run with just one liberal, (s)he probably has a lot of juice if (s)he takes risks that may lead to being stuck with Speaker Conservatives. In which case wisdom gains won't occur, but juice crippling may be hellish too (during my martial artist solo run I lost 500 wisdom during a single raid).

And yeah, I've been thinking about the WIS/HRT conversion pingpong trick. Nice to have confirmation that it actually works.

Well, having beaten the game several times, I find the raid system boring. Basically, you go in, grab some stuff, shoot conservatives and get out. The successfulness is neatly determined by the player's risktaking and the RNG. More tactical opportunities would be nice, forcing the player to think and renew their approach, as just repeatedly pushing the fight key wouldn't always do the trick any longer. In any case I'd like to see a version of LCS where having different squads would really be useful: in the current version one can easily beat the game with just a single squad of guitars, stealthy bastards or AK47s.

And on to the coding! Implementing such a system would be a big change for the gameplay and the code, but many features are already in place: raids (obviously) and simultaneous raids (or rather multiple ones during the same day) for example. The game currently also has the ability to track the actions done on site, so I don't think it will be too hard to implement a system that allows one raid to influence another.