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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 06, 2022, 03:24:35 pm »
I guess so. What parts of the broader culture were you referring to?

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: July 06, 2022, 01:53:13 pm »
Sorry I was not clear: my argument is that the USA has a culture problem, not a gun problem. If you simply try to increase gun regs here it will not have the same effect it did in other countries; culture isn’t like physics or engineering that apply everywhere.

Guns are only a “problem” due to culture - a gun or car won’t cause trouble on its own. A pitbull on the other hand…
Have you been listening to the Revolutionary Left Radio?

Hey McTraveller, which ones out of this list should be controlled through government regulation for nonconformation?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_subcultures

The traditional route is through social pressures such as discrimination in hiring, encouraging their exclusion in social interactions (especially politics), and building of an enforcement state if the previous two are not effective in dominating subcultures refusing to conform to the expectations of conservative society.

Here is a good example of enforcement that is oftentimes individually sympathetic even in modern mainstream conservatism.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sodomy_laws_in_the_United_States

So when you hear authoritarians say "enforce all the laws prosecutor it's your job" remember that they may be advocating government interest in what you and your traditionally married wife may or may not partake of in the bedroom by mutual, consenting agreement. In my state for example there is an anti-sodomy law in the criminal code that has not been enforced since either to 1930s or 1950s, and IIRC the last application of it was against a politically active straight white male person who was essentially the target of a smear campaign for political reasons.

I find Palazzo's comment to be quite accurate in it's implication that the modern conservative movement is comparable in some ways to ancient Marxist strategy, but may need some explanation. The following link is worth reading even if you disagree with the theory's writers and political beliefs.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_hegemony

From article:
In 1848, Karl Marx proposed that the economic recessions and practical contradictions of a capitalist economy would provoke the working class to proletarian revolution, depose capitalism, restructure social institutions (economic, political, social) per the rational models of socialism, and thus begin the transition to a communist society. Therefore, the dialectical changes to the functioning of the economy of a society determine its social superstructures (culture and politics).

To that end, Antonio Gramsci proposed a strategic distinction between the politics for a War of Position and for a War of Manœuvre. The war of position is an intellectual and cultural struggle wherein the anti-capitalist revolutionary creates a proletarian culture whose native value system counters the cultural hegemony of the bourgeoisie. The proletarian culture will increase class consciousness, teach revolutionary theory and historical analysis, and thus further develop revolutionary organisation among the social classes.[7] After winning the war of position, socialist leaders would then have the necessary political power and popular support to realise the war of manœuvre, the political praxis of revolutionary socialism.
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Now, if we turn that second paragraph completely around and apply "conservative" instead of "socialist" along with other appropriate subsititutions to reflect conservative authoritarian influences and political interests of expanding an already existing a system of societal dominance and control into authority for government intervention against those viewed impersonally as cultural opponents, is that not precisely the strategy apparent in modern conservative authoritarian leadership?

Note I did not use the name of either specific US party, and both are very susceptable. Before I get flamed for saying that (I admit the two parties are culpable to seperate degrees) here is a recent link to show how subcultures are used as public scapegoats. Sorry LGBTQ+ it looks like your turn under the bus is happening sooner than expected, with the moderate status-quo (prone to backstabbery of their allies I might add) all in a fluster after the election donation racket didn't surprisingly lead to effective leadership <cough Manchin>, and if the following article is emblematic of a new "strategy" (which being an opinion piece is not fair to judge it as), someone's pushing to blame you all in the hopes of pickups of moderate female voters concerned by the aborition ruling who are on the fence while usefully deflecting blame from the same legally bribable people in power the last decades.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/03/opinion/the-far-right-and-far-left-agree-on-one-thing-women-dont-count.html

To be fair, as abhorrant as the link above is, the following is one where LGBTQ+ is linked to the abortion decision in a non-blaming way. I don't mean to say the above link is a common opinion, it seems to be a spaghetti at the wall. I mostly posted it due to how recent it was.
 
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/opinion/dobbs-griswold-abortion-rights-conformity.html

After all, who else you gonna vote for? The other side is even worse for you, to the point there is a real risk of you becoming (potentially legally) unacceptable in polite society once again. First they came for the furries and all that...

If only there were an alternative
https://www.nytimes.com/2022/07/06/opinion/moderate-party-new-jersey.html
From opinion piece:
The Moderate Party is an experiment: an alliance between Democrats of all stripes, independents and moderate Republicans hoping to win an election while pursuing a reform to the election laws that could empower swing voters to save our democracy from toxic polarization.
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My suggestion to LGBTQ+ individuals would be to put out feelers and see if this new party would be amenable to listening to your positions on personal liberty. As a fusion party it will tend to be a moderating factor, which means it depends on where "moderate" is settled whether it is in your interests or not. My concern is different than that, in that I would like to see election finance reform as quintessential to longer term attempts at reforms relating to corporate and government legalized corruption. However I would feel far more comfortable supporting a party with an interest in personal liberty that has you in it as well.

The downside is a fusion party system helps to cement a status quo, so if this party were successful in it's aims and whatever hoped for disruptions of the status quo, that it would help cement the result later down the road to the detriment of either direction's wings. In my opinion this is a very good thing in the face of Trumpism and the authoritarians influencing the conservative movements, but to use my views as an example such a fusion party does pose a problem to what I view as necessary reforms should the post-election status quo not include campaign finance reforms.Thus I suggest to you and other qualified liberal leaning individuals of seeking a seat at the leadership table of this new party if it would be welcoming to you in their time of need, on the issues you support, now. If they aren't willing to work with you on mutually acceptable compromises, fuck em for promising to cement what's not working for you. Also as it's a plethora party the way I will be attempting to influence it from the distant sidelines as an unqualified person is not to demand so much that it compromises electability; it is after all a moderate party which means a seat at the table, not the overwhelming victory that contradicts and imposes upon those you are sitting with.

EDIT: Caught a spot where I didn't add "authoritarian" before conservative, which I corrected as the distinction is crucial. If there are other instances it's likely I meant in the authoritative aspect but didn't re-read the post for editing enough times to catch it.

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Dominions 5 Round 06 - Götterdämmerung
« on: July 01, 2022, 04:39:03 am »
I've been last turn twice so far but not consecutively as I submit the next turn as well when that happens. I checked it yesterday morning but I mostly am awake at night and early morning (US East) so that's when my turns will be going in, barring a sleeping schedule change for employment reasons or some such. I can attempt to check more often to see if the turn has advanced if it's delaying the game excessively.

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Other Games / Re: The Cataclysm games thread.
« on: July 01, 2022, 04:28:53 am »
I almost always go for max points by taking the infected wound + burning building start and usually die, but if I survive the character is strong enough to feel cheesy after finding gear. I don't mind start scenarios being locked especially if it's optional in the options menu for a new world or whatnot, I would probably play a more average and less min-max character the next time I play DDA instead of a Katana wielding super genius.

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Dominions 5 Round 06 - Götterdämmerung
« on: June 29, 2022, 03:17:36 am »
Does a normal commander go up to 3 Holy for Divine Blessing? I thought it only went to 2 but I'm not even sure of that because I try to make a priest with 2 holy the prophet for Divine Blessing (or fanaticism if I can make a base Holy 3 chassis the prophet)

EDIT: Doh I was doing it wrong the whole time

https://illwiki.com/dom5/prophet
The Prophet is the most loyal herald of the coming god. Every nation can appoint a Commander to be the one and only prophet of their nation's Pretender God. Upon becoming a prophet, the commander's Priest level is either set to holy 33 or increased by +holy 11, whichever results in a higher level, and their Morale is set to 30 if they're not Mindless. A prophet spreads Dominion just like a temple.

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I think that because Bogarus has a 3 Holy priest commander I got in the habit of making that the prophet for 4 Holy and never realized prophet sets it to 3 rather than 2. Well, turn resubmitted I guess

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Dominions 5 Round 06 - Götterdämmerung
« on: June 29, 2022, 02:15:16 am »
Oops wrong prophet commander recruited on turn 1, must delay prophet to turn 3 now. Forgot to double check which offspring of Heaven was the better priest.

I noticed most or all of you made your initial commanders into the prophet, now I'm wondering if I should have done that in light of the above.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 28, 2022, 08:07:38 am »
Noted and acknowledged

Palazzo, I apologize for becoming irritated, however I will still endeavor to feed your ape men to my bears in the Dominions round as is reasonable, though with your level of skill it won't be easy.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 28, 2022, 01:41:58 am »
Is that your Ghandi x Lenin fanfiction? A Bengali cookbook? An instruction manual for operating a stepwell?
It could be anything. There's no way to know.

It said in the link what it is, the chapter to a book about Gandhi directly related to the post above mine.

Also displeased by your implication I am a fan of Lenin. Perhaps you are unaware of the historical consequences of being publically accused of this in my country. The chapter described Lenin's thoughts on means justifying ends, but confuted it with the argument that bad means lead to bad ends as posed by Gandhi.

I do admit I could have been more descriptive of what the link was, but I thought it would be self-evident especially as I posted the whole thing for you.

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 03:00:07 am »
https://www.gandhiashramsevagram.org/gandhi-relevance/chapter-29-means-and-ends-in-politics.php

Spoiler (click to show/hide)

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General Discussion / Re: Quotes thread
« on: June 27, 2022, 01:33:55 am »
As long as it doesn't come back on fire I'm ok with this

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https://www.19fortyfive.com/2022/06/ukraine-wants-it-the-patriot-missile-defense-system-has-gone-viral/
Spoiler: From above link (click to show/hide)

https://www.defenceconnect.com.au/key-enablers/9819-pentagon-approves-taiwan-request-for-patriot-missile-training

EDIT to be fair as that spoiler may be out of date
(Link below, don't know why the link is malfy, will have to copy and paste complete link to read)     Posted On Saturday, 21 May 2022 03:59
https://www.armyrecognition.com/defense_news_may_2022_global_security_army_industry/us_agrees_new_$40_billion_military_aid_to_ukraine_including_patriot_missile_systems.html
https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/06/26/7354832/
Above link's headline: Ukraine hopes to expedite supply of air defence systems agreed with its partners – Zelenskyy
Sunday, 26 June 2022, 23:04

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Play With Your Buddies / Re: Dominions 5 Round 06 - Pretenders gather
« on: June 26, 2022, 11:31:58 pm »
Can't find where the savegames folder is that pretenders are saved to. Steam version

EDIT:
[drive]:\Users\[computer name]\AppData\Roaming\Dominions5\savedgames\newlords

Link in game takes you there, steam properties goes where it is not

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General Discussion / Re: AmeriPol thread
« on: June 26, 2022, 10:18:36 pm »
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/abject-failure-abortion-rights-movement-fractures-over-post-roe-future-2022-06-24/

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2022/06/25/us/how-roe-ended.html

Shonus, you are correct that any Bernie supporters who supported Trumpism were abject fools just as the lefty orgs who were pro-Putin were, in my opinion the same as any portion of Democrats either party should be considered for becoming foreign-entangled. However to say it was Bernie supporters at blame for this is wrong. It turns out, moderate leadership were more concerned about campaign donations as that often seems a primary focus for the center's leaders.

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General Discussion / Re: Scoops of Novel: The Judgementing
« on: June 22, 2022, 06:35:41 am »
Gooble-gobble

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General Discussion / Re: Armchair Economics Thread - Resurrection
« on: June 22, 2022, 05:18:21 am »
I think you misunderstood.  I mean the public owns the natural resources/infrastructure, and then bids out the management to any number of contractors.  This is NOT like cable companies, where the cable companies own the wires and are granted a monopoly.  This is the crux of the lobbying and lawsuits around municipal broadband - these communities want to own the infrastructure and just contract out the maintenance, but the telecom folks want to own the infrastructure.

This is not *exclusive mining rights* contracts - this is things like "we let you mine/lumber/etc. this area on behalf of the owners, the public".  Important distinction.  As far as I know, only roads are really done this way, maybe some localized instances otherwise, but it's not common.  I mean even power companies own their lines, they aren't "state owned."  And I'd argue power is just as critical as roads.

Oh that explains the temp service posting for road construction workers and bad patch jobs in the village then. I guess if you think that's better than careers and benefits. EDIT: Status of local roads: Main roads are pretty good repairs if they are used by the local superbusiness (relative to other local business) which handles huge traffic occasionally, expressways are well done but seems slow progress or something, one spot has been under work for a long time seems like the same every time I drive past. Local roads are awful everywhere I go except state college towns, the capital and The Big City, but maybe because I don't drive around those as often. Mid sized town nearby is awful except for major roads. Score of awful includes drivable at speed limit but zooming around holes in road where necessary to "I hope that's not as deep as it looks"

So just out of curiosity, what's the alternative? How would a truly "public" industry actually be any more accountable than private industries now that are supposedly overseen by public commissions?

I don't see trading one corporate overlord for another to be anything other than a lateral shift... or am I missing something?

This is starting to veer a bit off from economics to politics... maybe there are some economic theories here that apply?

Here is a magic paperwork everyone should know about:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freedom_of_Information_Act_(United_States)
The sort of thing a person should be told to practice one time in high school, to obtain some document. Along with writing a practice motion to the court and how to access legal research terminals at universities, which ought to be expanded to local libraries as well so people don't have to drive 2 hours to look up caselaw or pay for lawyer priced software. Take that, profession of lawyers! I say that jokingly, they might think it's a cool idea. Please teach it in the public schools too.

I also wanted to say something skeptical about needing election campaign finance reform that can somehow be effective at reducing impact of donations while making it past existing precedent before public manufacturing industries would sound better to me on a big scale and even then I'd want them to more be price controllers through competition rather than driving everyone out of business, and I'd also want to read more books on it to say whether it was a good plan or not. What would you think about "emergency" industries that only power up with authority when there is a shortage, McTraveller? For example, when those corporates <points at people not in jail> recently almost starved those babies <points at babies> I say half jokingly. When that was on TV news I would do the South Park "They took err jerbs" meme about it, quite tastelessly replacing it with "strved err babies". I now quite sincerely regret doing this on several occasions, though perhaps it would indeed make for a fine episodic social critique.

I mostly meant shuttered industries but that seems like a difficult and expensive thing to have waiting. Maybe buyups of closed plants for mothballing? I dunno, I haven't thought it through or done the work to be qualified to say.

Perhaps in price emergencies also? I would guess rigs can be shuttered for a while due to all the inactive ones around here. That might actually be a better example.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/21/world/europe/ukraine-russian-oil-embargo.html

Spoiler: From article (click to show/hide)

I think though mostly saying it should be all A or B isn't quite right though, when it could be a mixture of the two and perhaps work better than either.

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