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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« on: February 19, 2015, 07:25:43 pm »
Quote from: mainiac on February 19, 2015, 02:22:15 pm
Gift economies last until this day in some remote parts of the world.  But more relevantly there were many gift economies well into the 20th century that let anthropologists observe first hand how people acted in gift economy cultures.

There were some cases of barter between tribes but not as barter as a primary means of economic organization.
that's what i'm arguing for. i guess we just disagree on how important and widespread inter-tribe exanges were. we do find italian silex(chert?) here in portugal from pre agriculture sites. also the romans were bartering with currency-less societies, and "modern" europeans bartered with africans and native americans. do you think it's was their(europeans) idead?(honest question, not being snarky or anything. also i would actually enjoy some interesting sources if you have them at hand)

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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« on: February 19, 2015, 02:09:56 pm »
Quote from: Descan on February 19, 2015, 01:10:22 pm
Wild guess: probably not much bigger, if at all, than Dunbar number levels. On the order of a single tribe/village.
a tribe is much bigger than a village though, its rather more like a nation defined by claimed common ancestry
Quote from: Helgoland on February 19, 2015, 12:57:12 pm
How big were these gift economies?
(Also, linksies?)
some are pretty big, think villages sending people on week long expeditions to gift pigs to villages they have good relations with.

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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« on: February 19, 2015, 01:33:55 pm »
what kind of evidence would barter leave, anyway? we have evidence of long distance trade from long before metalic currency, and although a gift economy works well within a stable comunity where empathy and expected long term retribution are meaningful things, i don't think it would support a trade network spannig thousands of kilometers.
take the incas, for example, as an empire they had a centralized economy and wellfare state that probably evolved out of some sort of gift economy, but they traded with outside comunities using a prototypical currency of bronze axeheads that were too thin and of a sub-optimal alloy to be usable but probaly evolved out of widespread use of axeheads as "bartering" unit, and within the empire there was widespread "black market" direct bartering
i don't think one economic system precludes the other, gift economy is all well and good, but sometimes you really want something from someone and that someone kinda wants it too so you need to bribe them into "gifting" it. gift economy was still going strong in the european middle ages and one can easily argue that it survives today in the western world, among close knit groups of friends and places where neighbours still interact, it's just not what we usually think of as "economy"
that's why i say that one must read goat entrails with a grain of salt

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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: February 19, 2015, 12:35:44 pm »
Quote from: Helgoland on February 18, 2015, 06:47:58 pm
Quote from: freeformschooler on February 17, 2015, 09:02:33 pm
To the 12 Catholics here/other denominations that do it: what are you doing for Lent? I'm going to be joining the Catholics for a fast tomorrow. Considered giving up coffee for Lent, but let's not be reckless here.
I think I'll get into premarital intercourse, but that's less a matter of it being lent and more of a matter of having someone to do it with.
that was hilarious

Quote from: That Wolf on February 19, 2015, 11:23:51 am
*returns with an armored female dwarven corpse carried by the teeth

I have a story, it involves an event that I still ponder to this day what it was.

My semi grandad is actually just my grandmas bf but who cares about that.
At the age of... maybe 11 12 I was at the grandads fathers house, he was a ww2 navy veteran and the first time I met him, I saw a strong man in a weak body, white hair and an epic white beard, a weathered face that had seen much and had forgotten even more.
He told me to come close to him and quickly picked me up placing me on his lap and he placed his firm and almost skelletal hand on my head and tosseld my hair, asking me the basic questions "what are you going to do when your older" all that. I liked him but was intimidated by him.
He died a few years later and then the semi grandfather got the house and after a troubling time in my life I ended up living there for a bit (small beach house) I liked it. It had a homely warmth in it.
One day while playing my N64 legend of zelda majoras mask (still my favourite game, its beautifuly dark and has a great interweaving story for such a small amout of production time)
I was in the annoying sand temple, ikana i think. So while playing this and trying to remember the dungeon I was alone in the house and the doors where wide open like always so I could have easily heard footsteps.
I decided to go to clock town after derping on the temple. Probably to attack the bomb bag theif.
I felt a hand touch the top of my head from behind. Except it felt like it touched my skull, it immediatly sent shivers down my back and I got up and looked around for anyone.
I told my father about it and he heard me but kind of ignored it (not a very open man my father, he wont speak of religion or deep shizz for any matter)
Ive told people with many answers been given.
So here it is. A little story about me. Can you answer it?
you didn't ask a question :\

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General Discussion / Re: Sheb's European Politics Megathread
« on: February 19, 2015, 11:05:24 am »
barter economy is killing gift-economy based businesses! we should resort to bartering only for inter-clan transactions
also goat stomachs are biased, sheep guts are a much more reliable source of polithical omens

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: February 16, 2015, 01:55:55 am »
what i read somebody say on this very forum was that after said war in heaven the angels were stripped of their free will

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: February 15, 2015, 07:01:34 pm »
Quote from: Rolan7 on February 12, 2015, 09:24:51 pm
Question for Jewish people, who I don't think we've heard from sadly...  What exactly happens to gentiles (non-Jews) after death?  Simple non-existence?

Edited for embarassing unintended double-negative.
Quote from: Helgoland on February 12, 2015, 09:29:41 pm
Related: What happens to Jews?
i don't think jewish religion teaches about afterlife, and the book doesn't talk much about it, so people believe whatever makes them feel good. i think the official position is that worrying too much about the afterlife is a waste of time, just be a good jew for god and the comunity
it's been over a decade since i met a jew and talked about this stuff, and we were both pimply teenagers euphoric on our own intelligence

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General Discussion / Re: Religion and Spirituality Discussion: Yet Another Thread
« on: February 15, 2015, 08:51:58 am »
ptw

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: January 05, 2015, 04:02:58 pm »
Quote from: Helgoland on January 04, 2015, 03:35:05 pm
And quite willing to commit atrocities too. It's a shame his NEP didn't survive longer, though.


Anyway, a new song is gaining popularity among Russian soldiers deployed in Ukraine.

this song is pretty awesome

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: January 04, 2015, 11:31:52 am »
Quote from: Knit tie on January 04, 2015, 08:13:27 am
Also, Owlbread, am I correct in thinking that you dislike the USSR for not being Communist enough?
or not communist at all. all the pseudocommunist dictatorships of the cold war doomed the political system of the future to be viewed as a barbaric ideology of the past. a bit like what the russian 90ies did to democracy and american corporations are doing to capitalism

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: January 03, 2015, 02:58:57 pm »
if you place the turtles at an angle you could place the last turtle on top of the first

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: December 29, 2014, 09:41:42 am »
True

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: December 29, 2014, 09:37:24 am »
And you get reported and the thread gets closed? I like these threads, I'm getting really frustrated seeing them get locked

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General Discussion / Re: Russia Watch Thread/Ветка о России
« on: December 29, 2014, 09:23:17 am »
Or you could assume he meant relatively good and benevolent instead of trying to portray him as a hypocrite. You've been generally detrimental to the atmosphere of the thread, why?

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General Discussion / Re: Religion Questions Thread
« on: December 29, 2014, 09:16:54 am »
So, the camel is actually a rope and the needle is actually a gate... sounds pretty easy

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